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Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:28 am to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:28 am to
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Capitalism is a much more vague idea but essentially reverses priorities, putting the predominant role in the hands of private interests such as investors and corporations. State power in a capitalist country usually focuses on the creation of standards, public health, safety, and welfare, such things as regulating the currency, protecting the environment, and assuring the health of the populace.

In contrast to the 19th Century, the US already operates on a much-diluted form of capitalism. Our markets are not free; they are highly regulated (and yet many would today argue they are not highly regulated enough). The exchange rates and values of our currency do not float freely but are heavily manipulated through federal government rate-setting activities. Investment decisions are not driven purely by return expectations or classic risk/reward analyses; rather they are incentivized or discouraged by a byzantine system of rewards and penalties affectionately known as the Internal Revenue Code. In other words, the federal government – under both Democrat and Republican Administrations and supported by both Houses of Congress – intervenes routinely in how markets operate and how capital is deployed. In this sense the federal tax code is fundamentally a mechanism for wealth redistribution, so candidate Obama’s statement about his proposed middle-class tax cut simply represented a shift to one set of priorities, much as the Bush Administration’s tax cuts represented another.

If you accept the premise above that the U.S. already had one foot out the doorway between a more pure form of capitalism and socialism as it is widely practiced in other Westernized countries, it now appears that the U.S. is being pulled at warp speed through that doorway, as a consequence of the myriad plans (schemes would be a more accurate description, given how little thought appears to be devoted to them before rolling them out at press conference after press conference) for bailing out various classically capitalistic institutions.

Bailing out a completely broken mortgage finance system that rewarded handsomely (some would say shamelessly) myriad private-sector entities and the mortgage industry represents a shift towards socialism. Providing over $100 billion in taxpayer support for AIG is socialism, not capitalism. Providing $200 billion of taxpayer support to prop up consumer credit, so that Americans can return to a false economy predicated upon unbridled, conspicuous consumption, is socialism not capitalism.

The fact that these and other extraordinary moves by the federal government are undertaken in the name of saving our capitalistic economy and staving off a severe economic depression does not change the fact that we are experiencing – first under Bush and soon under Obama – a powerful drift towards extended state control of the economy. Free-wheeling and unfettered profit-making and corporate greed on the way up, backstopped by enormous government bailouts on the way down, represents in some ways the worst of both worlds .





I don't like to call it Socialism, because Socialism promotes empathy and justice (albeit misguided and naive).

I'm not a fan of Socialism because I know it won't work, and because I can run a calculator.


Progressive minded fellows routinely call bailouts a result of Capitalism, WHICH IS INFURIATING TO ANYONE WITH A frickING BRAIN.

It sure as frick isn't Capitalism, and it's not Socialism, it's something much more dangerous, Corporatism.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:07 pm to
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Progressive minded fellows routinely call bailouts a result of Capitalism, WHICH IS INFURIATING TO ANYONE WITH A frickING BRAIN.

It sure as frick isn't Capitalism, and it's not Socialism, it's something much more dangerous, Corporatism.



Funny that capitalism isn't held to the same critique as socialism when it comes to failing.

State capitalism is the global norm. From China to the US. The socialism vs capitalism is a charade for purposes of division.
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