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re: What record saves Muschamp's job?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:45 pm to slayerxing
Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:45 pm to slayerxing
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You're not providing any facts either. You're just bitching.
I'd love to see your proof.
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Charlie Weis took a fricken head coaching job. How is that Muschamp's fault? He hired a good coordinator (everyone everywhere liked the hire) but then weis left him high and dry. it happens.
Muschamp and Weis didn't like each other and it was phantasmagorically obvious. To the point of me wondering whether or not I can take you seriously enough to be intellectually honest.
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He did his homework, and went after another highly thought of OC, but that didn't work out for more managerial reasons. Pease didn't get along with the rest of the staff. It happens. See Billy G once Addazio was promoted.
I'm pretty sure Muschamp's vision did not coincide with Pease's vision. I don't think Pease thought when he came to Florida he'd be calling an offense like the one he was forced to call. I can't be convinced that an offensive coordinator of his stature came to Florida and suddenly had no clue how to run an offense.
I do believe a guy who wants to be Baby Bama would do something like that, however.
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And they DEFINITELY did not run the same offense. It was in the same family, but to call it identical is ridiculous.
Really, what was different? Aside from a spread element being added in the read-option.
They both had the exact same production, too. Both over 100 in offense.
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Also how was John Brantley not a fricking Pro QB? Revisionist history much?
I'll give you that -- but his entire college career before Muschamp came was from the shotgun. That's four years of practicing in the spread.
And you call me revisionist?
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And you say he arrived to a team with a bunch of people who had championship rings? What an absolute load of shite. Almost no one on the 2011 team had anything, ANYTHING to do with those championship teams.
When did I say they did? I said they were present with the unit which is absolutely true. We had a championship three years before he came, a lot of players were apart of that team even if their contribution was negligible. That's no excuse for the poor showing.
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You want to talk about a coach that wouldn't ever adapt? Look at the great Urban meyer in 2005 and 2010. He didn't have the right QB for his system, and in both seasons, UF was mired in mediocrity. If you took the 2010 team, hit them with the 2013 injuries, and had them play the 2013 schedule, UF would have been just as bad, if not worse. That team and that staff was ridiculously dysfunctional.
Championships excuse these, dude.
Blowing the Sugar Bowl does not.
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I'm not blindly supporting anyone. I have big problems and concerns about Muschamp, but I also won't blindly bash the guy either. And despite what you think about your "logic" (which has been mostly misremembered revisionist BS) you haven't said anything very concrete other than, oh he lost to Georgia Southern and Louisville.
Almost lost to ULL.
Vandy at homecoming.
Destroyed by Missouri.
Toyed with by LSU.
Strangled by FSU.
Embarrassed by Miami.
I'm sorry man, but after a 4 and 8 season if you can sit there with a straight face and say that I don't have anything else, you're absolutely delusional.
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Have you ever hired someone? Sometimes you do all your research, do the interview, everything seems like its gonna be great, and you start working together and it doesn't work out. That was Weis and Muschamp. It happens. It's ultimately Muschamp's fault, but his plan in hiring Weis wasn't bad. And they would have thrown the ball a lot more in 2011 had Brantley not been injured. I mean, how do you reconcile, that with Brantley at QB, UF scored more on Alabama in 2 quarters than LSU did in 8 quarters?
Pease, on the other hand, in retrospect, had a lot of people fooled. If he look at his history at Uk and Baylor, you would see a history of shitty offenses. He had a good year at Boise State, which got him looked at by the big boys, but that was basically it.
Muschamp's biggest failuers, IMO, have been the ability to put together a cohesive offensive staff and his failure in the 2012 recruiting class to address the major holes left behind by the previous head coach.
Those two errors, coupled with a string of hilarious bad luck unlike anything I've seen in recent sports history during the 2013 season, resulted in a catastrophic losing season, instead of just a normal mediocre 6-6 shitty season like it probably should have been given the injuries and the strength of the schedule.
He has recruited better in 2013 and 2014, and he has one more chance to put together a good offensive staff. He seems to have made the right moves. We'll know by the end of October either way.
Regarding the games you keep listing:
ULL - he won
Miami - 5 fricken turnovers, WTH are you gonna do? His 2012 team took very good care of the football. The only legit bad coaching move I remember from that game was not calling time out on the 4th down conversion that failed. I mean ultimately, you have to blame the head coach for everything, but when your players just keep fricking up and not taking care of the ball, wtf are you gonna do? The same thing has happened to every coach we've ever had.
LSU - was a healthy 10-3 team. At home, with one of the best QB's in the league. UF had Tyler Murphy. They lost Damien Jacobs early and were hurting for DL depth. It was 14-6 in the 4th quarter. UF had chances to win that game, they were not toyed with.
Mizzou - Murphy played the game injured, the offense was a total shite show, Ronald Powell, AND Damien Jacobs were both out, so UF's DL depth was shite. Cody Riggs gets a BS targeting ejection on the first play. Even with all this BS, UF was down 23-17 before the defense ran out of gas in the 4th quarter.
Vanderbilt - Your 2nd string QB has the worst game of his life, throws a bunch of really bad INTS that gives your opponent amazing field position and leads to short TD's. UF outgained vandy like 343-182 in yards. It was just a shite show of turnovers.
South Carolina - faced an 11-2 team on the road with a third string QB, and almost won. I don't see how you can fault him for anything there.
FSU - 14-0 national champs. Heisman QB. Are you shitting me? Vs Skyler Morninhweg and UF's beat up team? Think about the bad luck from last year. They designed a wildcat attack specifically for Trey Burton in that game. 2nd rush of the game, he goes for 50 yards, only to get injured for the rest of the game. BAD LUCK.
The games I'll give you where I legit feel UF should have won and I felt he did a shite job: Auburn 2011, Louisville 2012, Georgia 2013, GSU 2013. I could make a list like this for Meyer too. And Spurrier. Against weaker schedules with better teams.
And I'm not making excuses or anything. It would be a different story had UF been fully healthy in those games, but they werent. He did what he could with what he had. I feel at best, he should have been 6-6 with that situation.
Pease, on the other hand, in retrospect, had a lot of people fooled. If he look at his history at Uk and Baylor, you would see a history of shitty offenses. He had a good year at Boise State, which got him looked at by the big boys, but that was basically it.
Muschamp's biggest failuers, IMO, have been the ability to put together a cohesive offensive staff and his failure in the 2012 recruiting class to address the major holes left behind by the previous head coach.
Those two errors, coupled with a string of hilarious bad luck unlike anything I've seen in recent sports history during the 2013 season, resulted in a catastrophic losing season, instead of just a normal mediocre 6-6 shitty season like it probably should have been given the injuries and the strength of the schedule.
He has recruited better in 2013 and 2014, and he has one more chance to put together a good offensive staff. He seems to have made the right moves. We'll know by the end of October either way.
Regarding the games you keep listing:
ULL - he won
Miami - 5 fricken turnovers, WTH are you gonna do? His 2012 team took very good care of the football. The only legit bad coaching move I remember from that game was not calling time out on the 4th down conversion that failed. I mean ultimately, you have to blame the head coach for everything, but when your players just keep fricking up and not taking care of the ball, wtf are you gonna do? The same thing has happened to every coach we've ever had.
LSU - was a healthy 10-3 team. At home, with one of the best QB's in the league. UF had Tyler Murphy. They lost Damien Jacobs early and were hurting for DL depth. It was 14-6 in the 4th quarter. UF had chances to win that game, they were not toyed with.
Mizzou - Murphy played the game injured, the offense was a total shite show, Ronald Powell, AND Damien Jacobs were both out, so UF's DL depth was shite. Cody Riggs gets a BS targeting ejection on the first play. Even with all this BS, UF was down 23-17 before the defense ran out of gas in the 4th quarter.
Vanderbilt - Your 2nd string QB has the worst game of his life, throws a bunch of really bad INTS that gives your opponent amazing field position and leads to short TD's. UF outgained vandy like 343-182 in yards. It was just a shite show of turnovers.
South Carolina - faced an 11-2 team on the road with a third string QB, and almost won. I don't see how you can fault him for anything there.
FSU - 14-0 national champs. Heisman QB. Are you shitting me? Vs Skyler Morninhweg and UF's beat up team? Think about the bad luck from last year. They designed a wildcat attack specifically for Trey Burton in that game. 2nd rush of the game, he goes for 50 yards, only to get injured for the rest of the game. BAD LUCK.
The games I'll give you where I legit feel UF should have won and I felt he did a shite job: Auburn 2011, Louisville 2012, Georgia 2013, GSU 2013. I could make a list like this for Meyer too. And Spurrier. Against weaker schedules with better teams.
And I'm not making excuses or anything. It would be a different story had UF been fully healthy in those games, but they werent. He did what he could with what he had. I feel at best, he should have been 6-6 with that situation.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Pease wasn't forced to call anything. Where do you get this information? WM isn't involved in any of the offensive play calls during the game. He does sit in on the installation of the gameplan though.
UF ran the same O that was ran at Boise. Just not near as successful because the blocking scheme was a horrible fit in the SEC and UF had Driskel who isn't a pocket passing QB (this is not only Pease' fault, but WM for hiring Pease in the first place).
UF ran the same O that was ran at Boise. Just not near as successful because the blocking scheme was a horrible fit in the SEC and UF had Driskel who isn't a pocket passing QB (this is not only Pease' fault, but WM for hiring Pease in the first place).
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