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re: What do people get out of going to church on Easter once a year?

Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:29 pm to
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Given that your entire post hinges on this premise, I'll just address this.

Prove this. Give me some sort of evidence. I refuse to merely grant you the premise that we deserve hell and are inherently evil creatures as a species. This is a silly notion that is only accepted as a necessary part of christianity. It lacks any real world evidence, and more importantly it lacks any rational philosophical support.

And regardless of what you wish to believe about omniscience and its limitations, it doesnt change the reality of the implications of that term.
What sort of "proof" are you looking for? I'm basing my argument off of the Biblical view of God and man and our relationship to one another. If you'd like me to give you scripture references to support my view, I can.

I'm not sure what "real world evidence" you are talking about. Everyone sins. Everyone is selfish to some degree. Everyone acts in ways that are contrary to the character of God (as revealed in the Bible). So therefore, everyone is a proof case on the sinfulness of mankind as proclaimed in the Bible. Just because not everyone is as bad as they could be doesn't prove they are not bad (according to God's standard).

I'm also not quite what "rational philosophical support" you are referring to. The Biblical worldview is a philosophy in itself. Are you wanting me to reference Plato to support my view?

And you're right that my belief about omniscience and its limitations doesn't change the reality of the implications of it. I have been expressing my view on the reality of it and its implications during this dialogue.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:43 pm to
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What sort of "proof" are you looking for? I'm basing my argument off of the Biblical view of God and man and our relationship to one another. If you'd like me to give you scripture references to support my view, I can.


But why do you expect others to just take your word for it? God needs to back up what his book says. I was a christian for years, I can quote scripture with the best of them. Using the bible to prove the bible is nonsense.

If I saw someone call upon the name of God and part a large body of water in two, I'll believe in whatever that God's holy text says instantly. Thats all it would take. I need to see evidence of this being's existence and power. I need an unambiguous, openly visible sign directly from him when called upon so I know its him.

Or he could just show up right this second and tell me himself. That works too.

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I'm not sure what "real world evidence" you are talking about. Everyone sins. Everyone is selfish to some degree. Everyone acts in ways that are contrary to the character of God (as revealed in the Bible). So therefore, everyone is a proof case on the sinfulness of mankind as proclaimed in the Bible. Just because not everyone is as bad as they could be doesn't prove they are not bad (according to God's standard).


Everyone does bad things, why call it sin? Why is killing another human evil but a lion killing all the infants of a neighboring clan just nature? What evidence is there that we arent just really intelligent animals?

Nonbelievers also do good things, but the bible says their works amount to nothing.
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