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re: POLL: Will the US default?

Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:29 am to
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it being his only move is because he has been such a spineless cry baby in the past.


You can't fight everything. He's got a Dem controlled Senate and a Dem in the WH. Can't just make a principled stand every time something is up for negotiation. The GOP would never get anything they wanted.

It was his only move because the charge happened too early with no plan in place to deal with the fallout. This is the wise move. You have to cut your losses at some point. Back up, regroup, and then engage in a fight you can actually get some wins in.

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The ideas are closer to being right than the democrats


I tend to agree on the budget side of things. That's why this stupid shutdown has me annoyed. Could have gotten something in a fight over the debt ceiling and instead had to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to end the shutdown.

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they have no way of articulating why the idea works.


They have bad spokesmen. It's hard to take the Tea Party's hardline message seriously. Then you have the crazies get on the Fox News and push a hardline agenda that comes across as callous toward those in need and impractically simple in the talking points being parroted. They care more about getting the Tea Party in "ra ra!!!" mode than putting forth a message the average person can get behind.

It turns me off, and I'm in the demographic the GOP could actually pick up.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:34 am to
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They have bad spokesmen. It's hard to take the Tea Party's hardline message seriously. Then you have the crazies get on the Fox News and push a hardline agenda that comes across as callous toward those in need and impractically simple in the talking points being parroted. They care more about getting the Tea Party in "ra ra!!!" mode than putting forth a message the average person can get behind.

It turns me off, and I'm in the demographic the GOP could actually pick up.

exactly, fox news only makes the problem worse because they either have a crazy that is complete dog shite or they bring out mccain who is complete dog shite the other way because he is really the same as obama.
fox started to give rand more air time but i haven't seen him on lately.

hopefully one day the gop will learn how to actually get a message out.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:35 am to
i just dont like boehner because he is a weak cry baby. i agree though you can't fight everything and i think that is part of the republican party. They fight every single issue with the same type of anger level.
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