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re: Thanks to SEC and Heisman - A&M receives record 37,000 applications
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:32 pm to aggressor
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:32 pm to aggressor
these are really interesting stats aggressor. I know USNWR uses both the ratio of admits to applicants and enrolled to admits as part of their rating system. I think most of the other ranking systems do as well.
Also, while the extra exposure for us has been incredibly helpful obviously, the extra exposure for the SEC in Texas appears like it may be doing the same for many schools. My uncle is a teacher at one of the gifted and talented schools. He told me over Xmas that they usually have very few kids go to A&M or UTx simply because their top 10% generally go to Ivies and Rice and the like and many of the rest simply don't get in. So they end up going to out of state universities.
He told me that 3 universities have significantly increased among his students this fall - LSU, Bama, and Auburn. Apparently many of the kids that can't get into the Texas state schools are getting free rides to these due to high SAT/ACT etc. In the past, many of these kids went to OU or other out of state schools (he mentioned OU in particular). It's anecdotal but if it carries, that's a huge win for these schools as well because they are able to also increase their application base with top notch students.
Also, while the extra exposure for us has been incredibly helpful obviously, the extra exposure for the SEC in Texas appears like it may be doing the same for many schools. My uncle is a teacher at one of the gifted and talented schools. He told me over Xmas that they usually have very few kids go to A&M or UTx simply because their top 10% generally go to Ivies and Rice and the like and many of the rest simply don't get in. So they end up going to out of state universities.
He told me that 3 universities have significantly increased among his students this fall - LSU, Bama, and Auburn. Apparently many of the kids that can't get into the Texas state schools are getting free rides to these due to high SAT/ACT etc. In the past, many of these kids went to OU or other out of state schools (he mentioned OU in particular). It's anecdotal but if it carries, that's a huge win for these schools as well because they are able to also increase their application base with top notch students.
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:58 pm to tmc94
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Why does A&M fall so far behind Texas with regards to applications? Doesn't A&M have a larger enrollment than Texas? Seems odd Texas has so many more applicants than A&M and accepts less.
I started college in the Fall of 1990 and Texas was right around 50k. We had about 40k. We have room to grow though. Texas has their 40 acres surrounded on all sides by Austin. We have over 5,200 acres. There's no telling how big we will get to be in decades to come. On the other hand, unless they start building sky scrapers, Texas has maxed out how many students they can have.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 5:00 pm to tmc94
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LSU had 16,000 applications in a state that is 1/6th the size
There are 6x more Universities to choose from in TX though.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 5:04 pm to tmc94
The SEC schools are definitely benefiting. Texas has a ton of bright young HS grads out of those top HS's as noted only 16k or so can go to A&M or Texas and realistically it is fewer than that because of OOS and International admissions. For perspective, Texas public HS's graduated over 297k students in 2011, and that doesn't count the private schools where some of the best students go. The volume is just huge and growing at a rate of about 2% per year. Even the Top 10% is almost 30k kids.
In the past they looked a lot more inwardly at Texas schools or maybe to Oklahoma schools but the SEC exposure is opening some eyes of Texas kids. For instance, when I was in school a lot of those kids just went to Texas Tech, North Texas, or Texas State but the idea of going to a Flagship school in the SEC has a lot more appeal. The previous barrier was the OOS tuition and expense but a lot of SEC schools are providing scholarships and other incentives to get those kids. I'm talking about Top 50-25% kids from top high schools that have strong SAT scores, come from households with 2 parents that are college grads, and have been on a strong college prep curriculum. The lack of solid Tier II schools is a real problem, you basically drop down to Tier IV (Tech and UH are maybe Tier III).
I know I would much rather have gone to an SEC school over another Texas school not named A&M. Tech is out in BFE and the rest of them feel like commuter schools for the most part. The only other option is to go private but Baylor, SMU, and TCU are really expensive, fairly small, and just not that great of an education for the money at all at the undergrad level.
In the past they looked a lot more inwardly at Texas schools or maybe to Oklahoma schools but the SEC exposure is opening some eyes of Texas kids. For instance, when I was in school a lot of those kids just went to Texas Tech, North Texas, or Texas State but the idea of going to a Flagship school in the SEC has a lot more appeal. The previous barrier was the OOS tuition and expense but a lot of SEC schools are providing scholarships and other incentives to get those kids. I'm talking about Top 50-25% kids from top high schools that have strong SAT scores, come from households with 2 parents that are college grads, and have been on a strong college prep curriculum. The lack of solid Tier II schools is a real problem, you basically drop down to Tier IV (Tech and UH are maybe Tier III).
I know I would much rather have gone to an SEC school over another Texas school not named A&M. Tech is out in BFE and the rest of them feel like commuter schools for the most part. The only other option is to go private but Baylor, SMU, and TCU are really expensive, fairly small, and just not that great of an education for the money at all at the undergrad level.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 5:41 pm to tmc94
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He told me that 3 universities have significantly increased among his students this fall - LSU, Bama, and Auburn.
Everybody warned us that if A&M went to the SEC, we'd open up the state of Texas to be recruited by other SEC schools.
(Then again I think they were talking about football players)
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