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In regards to the shenanigans regarding the BCSNC tickets (long)

Posted on 1/6/11 at 6:57 pm
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 6:57 pm
I know this board has been inundated with threads about the prices of tickets and speculation about why it happened. I'm going to forward a couple emails I received from the ticket broker I sold mine to. He actually paid me $5k to fill an order he made several weeks ago for someone that he sold tickets to for $1k a piece. So, he took a $3k loss because they have been in business so long that it would be worse for them to refund the money, and get a black eye. Hope this helps to clarify. My first email stated that I had read about the difference between short and long sales, and the ensuing snafu with stubhub. The first is his response, and the second a follow up post with a statement from stubhub.

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Ouch. I've done a little reading in the last couple days about what the difference between short selling and long selling is, along with the shenanigans that has gone on with stubhub. One last question, and I'll quit bothering you. Being an expert in the business, do you suspect there will be anyone outside the stadium trying to sell tickets? We've got a house and airfare already booked, so we're still going to Phoenix. I just couldn't pass up the opportunity for a little more financial stability for my family, so I sold. If I saw some for about $500 a piece, I'd buy. However, I'm not sure if those will even exist. Thanks for some knowledge though.


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It is absolutely my pleasure to help you out. The STUB HUB thing makes me incredibly angry. It gives the whole industry a black eye including us who lost a lot of money filling our orders. If your budget is $500 per ticket I would strongly suggest not coming. I remember the Ohio State Florida game at the same stadium and it was $1000 per ticket to get in and there were no problems with regards to tickets at all.

If you told me you were willing to spend $1500 or so per ticket or certainly $2000 per ticket I would say there would be a decent shot. At $500 per ticket, I really don't think there would be any shot whatsoever. Whatever you decide to do, determine your budget before you come.

I will be there. Feel free to give me a ring and I can give you an idea.

Best,
Brad

This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 7:03 pm
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 6:57 pm to
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Faced with the potential for dozens of busted ticket orders for the January 10 BCS National Championship game, secondary ticket marketplace StubHub, which is the official resale marketplace for the game, was forced to pull down all BCS tickets from its Web site Wednesday night, January 5, because a broker oversold and could not fill customer orders.

The exact number of problem orders, where the broker made speculative sales but then could not obtain tickets, was not disclosed, and as of this morning, January 6, StubHub was warning customers that some orders might not be filled. StubHub said it will issue full refunds for the orders made on its Web site under its FanProtect guarantee, however, the move may offer little solace to fans who already spent hundreds or thousands of dollars booking airfare and hotel accommodations to attend the game.

Prices for tickets to the game have exploded over recent days with several Web sites offering tickets in excess of $4,000 a piece. Though one unnamed large broker is being blamed, the tentacles of the situation are stretching throughout the secondary ticket market and causing several brokers to also scramble to fill orders at huge losses.


StubHub did not disclose how much it stands to lose as a result of this situation, but that figure could reach tens of thousands of dollars or more.

"As a result of the high demand and scarcity of BCS National Championship Game tickets, we have been unable to fulfill some customers' orders," StubHub said in a statement. StubHub, itself, is not a ticket broker, instead it is a ticket resale marketplace or exchange that relies on brokers and fans to provide inventory. "Unfortunately, one of our larger sellers for this event could not secure enough tickets to fulfill all of their confirmed sales, which has caused a trickle-down effect. We have purchased as many tickets as are available to help fill customers' orders, however we are still short of tickets due to the incredibly high demand for this game.

"Additionally, we have currently stopped the resale of BCS National Championship Game tickets on StubHub and have chosen to reach out to buyers to offer them an incentive to more than double their purchase price in exchange for their tickets. Should buyers choose to resell their tickets, we will use them to fill the outstanding orders. StubHub will not be re-listing any of these tickets on its site. This was done in an effort to satisfy as many customers as possible, while standing by our FanProtect guarantee that states that all confirmed ticket orders will be fully refunded if they are not delivered on time, authentic, and as good or better than the tickets ordered," the company said.

As of this afternoon, after the company had released the above statement, StubHub said it was offering a "full refund of [a customer's] purchase price, including shipping and service fees as well as an additional cash sum" for customers willing to sell their tickets back to the company. The additional cash sum is two-times the refund price, and depending on what a customer paid, it could total more than $2,000 per ticket. See the text below of one of the emails sent out to a customer.

At issue is the pervasive practice of speculative ticket sales, where brokers or individuals list and sell tickets they do not have. After the sale, the seller then goes out and buys the ticket — often from another broker, season ticket holder or other source — which they then send to the customer. In many cases, brokers "short sell" these tickets, which is where the broker sells the ticket for a high price in anticipation of obtaining the ticket at a lower price and pocketing the difference.

On any given day, thousands of speculative ticket transactions occur throughout the secondary ticket landscape without a hitch, but similar busted ticket orders occurred last winter leading up to the Vancouver Olympics, where thousands of customers never received their tickets and brokers suffered losses refunding orders. Some politicians, such as U.S. Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. of New Jersey, are seeking to eliminate speculative ticket sales in legislation they have proposed. Companies such as Veritix, with its Flash Seats technology, and Ticketmaster, with its TicketExchange division, only allow resale of tickets that brokers or fans have in hand.

In the case of the BCS National Championship, which features Auburn against Oregon, ticket prices on the secondary market started relatively high, stayed high and then exploded as demand continued to rise. Auburn has not played for a national championship in years and Oregon has never played for one, which helped push interest in the game to a fever pitch.

"Ticket prices for the BCS Championship Game are at nearly unprecedented levels," Russ D'Souza, founder of ticket price forecaster SeatGeek, told TicketNews. "The 'get in' price for the event is around $4,000 which is around two-times the current price for the 2011 NFL Super Bowl. Consumers looking to attend the game should buy tickets now as the dearth of available tickets may cause prices to rise further."

While ticket sales for some bowl games were soft this season, the BCS bowl games generally did pretty well. However, some schools had difficulty selling their allotments of tickets.

"I give [StubHub] a lot of credit for standing behind their orders and doing the right thing by filling them at whatever prices they need to," broker Steve Lichtman, owner of Prestige Entertainment, told TicketNews. "It is unfortunate there are brokers out there who love to spec [sell] when things are going in their direction and then run away from the order when they're not. Perhaps an event like this will help to create more strict policies as to who is allowed to go short moving forward because situations like this are happening far too often. The once in a hundred year flood is now coming every year."

Below is text of an email StubHub sent out today to BCS Championship ticket buyers:

Dear xxxxx,

Thank you for your recent purchase of BCS National Championship tickets. Due to the incredible popularity of this event, ticket demand is at an all time high and as a result some StubHub customer orders have as of yet gone unfulfilled. In an effort to satisfy as many customers as possible we are prepared to make you an offer to purchase your tickets, so that we can provide them to other customers. StubHub is willing to give you a full refund of your purchase price, including shipping and service fees as well as an additional cash sum of $2500 per ticket.

If you choose to accept this offer, please reply to this email, or contact StubHub Customer Service immediately at 800-471-4297. Once StubHub has filled every order this offer will end.

Should you choose not to accept this offer, have a great time at the game.

Thank you for your consideration and thanks again for using StubHub.

Sincerely,

StubHub Customer Service
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 7:00 pm
Posted by thatguyrightthere
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:01 pm to
That's fine...don't expect many to. It was more for those who might have gotten screwed on tickets and wondered why.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:18 pm to
Good info.
Posted by Bellabama
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:24 pm to
So you aren't going now?

How badly would it suck to pay $10,000 and then lose? Or else pay $10,000 and have it not count in a couple of years.

I'd sell my tickets too.
Posted by flyAU
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:24 pm to
I smell a Bama broker behind this all!!!!!!

Seriously though, there is a ton of money lost by a lot of people through all this. Sickening. Once again, the only silver lining of not having a ticket is that I don't have a stubhub email sitting in my inbox offering me that much money for it and needing to make the decision.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:26 pm to
I'm still going out there. As of right now though, I'm just gonna tailgate and watch it at a bar outside the stadium. However, I got a call from a friend a little bit ago that said she might have two tickets for me for $800 total, so we'll see. I'm fine with either though.
Posted by flyAU
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:29 pm to
I am possibly flying out there non-rev Saturday or Monday morning (Sunday flights are pretty full). No ticket of course, but could atleast tailgate with friends. Maybe some of the crazy RV guys make it out there with plasmas and have them setup
Posted by Bellabama
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:31 pm to
I actually just got some tickets for my best friend, who is an aubie, for face value... Yes... I am a good friend.

Have there been any reports on the expected fan split? Are Oregon fans willing to pay that much? Will they be well represented?

Part of what was so much fun last year was interacting with the Texas fans.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:31 pm to
There will be tvs out there. Get on the plane and come have a great time. Look at it this way...if we win, you're out there with friends and get to party like there's no tomorrow. If we lose, you're not out $5k and you're feeling pretty good about your decision.
Posted by flyAU
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:32 pm to
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Have there been any reports on the expected fan split? Are Oregon fans willing to pay that much? Will they be well represented?


I am sure Nike is making sure that happens one way or another.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:33 pm to
I don't think it's gonna be 50/50, but Oregon will still be well-represented. I can't wait to make some new friends from the northwest.
Posted by Bellabama
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:37 pm to
We had so much fun in Pasadena last year, by the time the game came, it was just added sugar on top of the most delicious beignet ever...

I would HIGHLY recommend going out, even if you don't have tickets. The icky fans are weeded through due to the cost prohibitive circumstance. I know that sounds snobby, but it just makes everything more fun. It's just a happy, electric and giddy time. I am really psyched for my Auburn fan friends who get to go...
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:39 pm to
Yeah, I can't wait...tickets or not. I sent the wife out today to get pampered at the spa, hair did, nails did, etc. So now she's stoked and in there packing. As soon as she's done, I'm up. Trying to go to sleep tonight is gonna be like trying to go to sleep on Christmas Eve as a kid.
Posted by Bellabama
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:42 pm to
Where are you staying? Have you ever been to the Phoenix area? Go eat lunch on the patio at the Four Seasons in Scottsdale if you have time. The view is spectacular.

And if you step on a cactus, soak your foot in water and it will contract. Don't try to pull it out... It's like little fish hooks.
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 7:43 pm
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:43 pm to
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flyAU


You a pilot?
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:47 pm to
We rented a house on the Tempe/Scottsdale line. We're about a ten minute taxi cab to Mill Ave. from what I hear. I'll keep the four seasons in mind. I've been out there once before. My wife has a lot of family out there, so we have to do lunch with the grandparents/aunts/uncles on Saturday. Go ahead and get that out of the way early. I'll keep the cactus remedy in mind.
Posted by diddydirtyAubie
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:49 pm to
I hear the stadium is not great for tailgating.
Posted by flyAU
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

You a pilot?


Moved onto medical sales. Went to school for aviation at AU. Still got the flight privileges on Delta though.
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