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re: CAMGATE - What YOU need to know

Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:27 am to
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:27 am to
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So . . . in summary, then, all we know (or all we think we know) is that financially strapped and desperate dad knows he is sitting on a golden goose and decides to go shopping.
All we know is
A) Cecil's church was in need of repair
B) He asked for an extension of the deadline before the city of Newnan condemned said church
C) In his request for extension he said he would have the money soon
D) The repairs (about $50,000 worth) were made ahead of the deadline
E) MSU made a report to the SEC (and later the NCAA) saying there were some issues regarding Cam's recruitment to MSU.

Everything else past that is either conjecture, rumor, innuendo, hearsay, or from unnamed "sources".

As I've said in the past, if Auburn did something wrong I want head to roll. But right now there is nothing concrete to say the Newtons (includingCecil) did anything wrong. If there are tapes, let us hear some fo them - and not just edited portions that can be twisted one way or another the whole things. Just because Rogers went on the radio with his lawyer advising him doesn't mean he spoke the truth. People lie with their lawyer next to them in many cases.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7637 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:41 am to
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As I've said in the past, if Auburn did something wrong I want head to roll. But right now there is nothing concrete to say the Newtons (includingCecil) did anything wrong. If there are tapes, let us hear some fo them - and not just edited portions that can be twisted one way or another the whole things. Just because Rogers went on the radio with his lawyer advising him doesn't mean he spoke the truth. People lie with their lawyer next to them in many cases.


People lie when they have acted improperly, taken illegal money, etc. At this point, it seems fairly likely that Cecil acted improperly in asking for money from MSU, beyond that things remain pretty murky.

However, people use the term "hearsay" as if it has some real meaning outside of a courtroom. Hearsay is actually a very technical legal term that is also very complex. For example, if the folks that have publicly stated that Cecil asked them for money testify under oath in court that Cecil asked for money, that would not be hearsay. It would be admissible evidence to prove that the words were spoken and likely also admissible as an admission against Cecil's interest. Therefore it would not be hearsay. So at this point, using a layman's view of hearsay, it isn't hearsay that Cecil asked for money for his son to play. Witnesses have publicly stated that they heard him do so. It may be an issue of someone lying or credibility of witnesses, but that is a different question, not of hearsy.

So at this point, if we deem the eyewitnesses to Cecil's asking for money, credible, there is substantial evidence that he did so. What we don't have specific evidence of is whether Cam knew (at least prior to the request) of his fathe's request and whether Auburn or a booster paid money. We do have evidence (again credible or not) that Cam stated that the "money was too much," based on the reported statement of an eyewitness. In court, we would have to hear directly from that witness or it would be "hearsay." But since we aren't in court, then we are making judgments and opinion based on what information has been credibly reported by professional reporters, not just internet rumor.
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