re: Anyone think the players stay to play for Kiffin and TRob ?

Agreed 100%. These kids just do not want to play for DeBoer. Why would they? Sure he has a good coaching record, but he got Lucky with Penix. Yes he has more talent this year, but the competition week in and week out is seriously more difficult. Kiffin, Trob, Lanning, Schuman, Dabo would have kept the continuity better for sure. DeBoer is a good coach sure, but it's not about the Xs and Os, like always it's the Jimmy's and Joe's.