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re: Deion is becoming more and more unlikeable

Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:27 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:27 am to
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A white coach doesn't have to say it because 95% of CFB coaches are white.
It's not about what they "have" to say, but if they did say it.

Do you deny that a white coach saying the same thing would be called a racist or white supremacist? If so, on what basis?

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What are you talking about? Sanders own college, FSU, snubbed him.
Not every D1 school is willing to throw a lot of money at someone who has yet to prove success at that level. It's about risk vs. reward, and different factors change how risky a coaching candidate is that does not involve their skin color. Colorado has been mostly terrible for decades now with little draw for recruits due to little name recognition and no recent success to point to. Deion's track record at Jackson State is what got him that job, as he proved he could draw talent to a smaller program away from bigger programs, which is exactly what CU needs to be successful. FSU is in a different position than Colorado in terms of risk vs. reward.

Also, I hope you aren't implying that FSU snubbed Deion because he is black. Just a few years ago FSU hired a black head coach in Willie Taggart, and gave Odell Haggins two opportunities to be interim head coach after Willie and Jimbo Fisher were out of the picture.

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You are kidding yourself if you think Sanders had any chance of coaching in the SEC. SEC schools DO NOT HIRE BLACK HEAD COACHES. Sanders knows this, you know this, we all know this but you want to call out Sanders and blindly believe that SEC universities and forums like this are diverse. You call Sanders a racist. Haha, that is laughable.
You said yourself that there have been 5 black head coaches in the SEC, so objectively, your claim that SEC schools do not hire black coaches is false. If you want to narrow your scope a bit, then you would be correct, but only as far as previous hires are concerned. You would then have to prove racism on the part of the lack of hires for those schools that haven't hired black head coaches.

As far as UGA is concerned, we've only had 2 head coaches in the past 23 years. Mark Richt was hired out of FSU and he was an excellent offensive coordinator there who brought them a lot of success, so he had a proven track record in D1 football. He was an immediate upgrade and stuck around for 15 years. We then hired Kirby Smart, who was a former UGA player and was basically Saban's right hand man at Alabama. Smart was hired due to his success with Alabama, and that has translated well to UGA. Are you going to claim that 23+ years of coaching at UGA was race-based and not merit-based? Or, do you have examples where schools purposefully passed on a black head coach because he was black? If so, I'll join you in outrage.

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To answer your question. If a white RB or runner (Matt Boling) said something like... "I hope that a kid that looks like me, would be inspired and believe that they too can run fast" or if he said, "hey, white guys can run fast too". NOT ONE PERSON SHOULD HAVE A PROBLEM. It's all about changing perceptions.
"Should". The question of double standard isn't what "should" be the case, but what is the case. The reason a double standard exists is because of what actually happens, not what you think should happen. We have examples of white people being treated differently from black people when talking about "white pride" vs. "black pride", but I haven't seen any examples of where a black man was turned down for a head coaching job in the SEC simply because he was black. If you can point to an example, I'll condemn it, but just because there aren't many black head coaches doesn't mean it's due to racism any more than few head coaches being former punters and kickers is due to anti-kicker bias.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:29 pm to
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You said yourself that there have been 5 black head coaches in the SEC, so objectively, your claim that SEC schools do not hire black coaches is false.



Are you really going to puff your chest with 5 coaches at 4 schools (Vandy hired 2) in 90 years of SEC football? TAM hired Sumlin when they were in the B12, so he really doesn't count. Plus look at how quick they got rid of him even after he had a better record than Jimbo. The SEC has been integrated with players for 55+ years and only 4 teams have ever hired ONE. Okay, let's put it this way, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, UGA, USC, Mizzou, and Tennessee WILL NEVER HIRE A BLACK HEAD COACH. Prove me wrong...

Are you really trying to convince me, us, yourself that the 4 schools hiring 5 black head coaches in the history of the league, currently with no black head coaches in half a decade is good?

You then claimed that Deion didn't have enough experience??? He coached ~10 years before Jackson State. Did Ron Zook, Will Muschamp, Jim Shark fricker McElwain or Billy Napier have more Head coaching experience? Which one of them had/have more credentials than Deion, on and off the field? You also said it's about winning not color. Ask Sumlin or even Deion who had a better record in his first 3 years than Mike Norvell in his. What's really sad is the same folks that are calling out Deion, will NEVER, EVER call out the hypocrisy in the sport. You see what you want to see.
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