re: Everybody talks about games that “broke” a program; what about games that “made” one?

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Your definition of forever could use some work. Pat Dye was built by BAMA. His assistant coaches were raised by BAMA. The offense he ran was a carbon copy of BAMA. His defense was a carbon copy of what he learned at BAMA.

You can say that the barn was the early composition of today's Georgia. Just no championships.

And championships matter. That just makes him a poor imitation.

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There is no doubt championships matter.

But don't forget, national championships were not the be-all, end-all back in the early 80s as they are now.

Also don't forget Pat dye was a tremendous motivator of the Auburn fanbase, and since him, they have been fearless of the biggest brand in college football, and we are all the better for it. Auburn's record against Bama since Dye proves it. They're 20-22 on the field against the most dominant team of all-time. That's better than anyone else can say.

I realize you have some disdain for Pat Dye and Auburn. It's part of what makes a rivalry great. But you can at least be objective enough to recognize his importance on the football culture of the state of Alabama.