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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:16 am to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:16 am to
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One scenrio may be Lang sticking around for another year if he's on track to graduate early and likes Auburn, then being a grad transfer next offseason if we see an influx in talent in the back court.



Honestly the smart move is RS next year and grad transfer out. Gives him 2 years and is a much more attractive transfer candidate.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:19 am to
The real key is that we don't want our bigs, especially Wiley plying more than 20min. They all would benefit by being fresh vs tired opponent bigs


With our tempo/pace, their efficiency would go up tremendously while opponents tire and AU players rotate in fresh
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:23 am to
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I don't think Spencer will be forced out. I don't think Okeke plays >5-10mpg and I also think we are likely to let a 4 play some 3 as well

Spencer could get 15mpg as a utility guy. To be honest that is generous giving his level of play
Well, Purifoy isn't exactly solidifying his place as our starting 4. I'd say the minutes at that position are pretty open.

Also, isn't Murray more of a 5 than a 4?
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:27 am to
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1- Harper 30/ Mitchell 10
2- Brown 30/ Heron 10
3- Heron 20/ Purifoy 15/Okeke 5
4- Purifoy 15/Murray/15/Spencer 10
5- Wiley 20/McElmore 15/Spencer 5
This makes it look to me like we desperately need a grad transfer combo guard. Cut Harper and Brown's minutes down to 20 a piece and give the grad transfer 10 at both.

Edit: also, isn't Okeke supposed to be a 4? I'm guessing you just play him at the 3 to give him minutes since we have too many between the 4/5s?
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 11:30 am
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:39 am to
I agree with combo guard statement. I don't think any player should get much more than 25m other than Heron/Purifoy if they continue to develop. Honestly I think a GT point guard and let Mitchell be combo guard is better idea

Outside of Okeke earning more minutes, I don't see him getting >5-10m year 1. His game isn't super refined and the normal FR adjustments

If Okeke wants to get on the floor though, moonlighting at the 3 seems like the way to do it. Talent wise he is clearly a rung below Purifoy and they play the same game "in theory" (aka when Purifoy remembers he is an elite athlete"
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:51 am to
I love the idea of making freshmen earn minutes, I just hate that we're in such a tight spot in some places and overloaded in others.

Isn't Murray more of a 5 than a 4? I know the hope is that he's working on an outside shot, but that may never develop.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:55 am to
I don't see an issue with Harper playing as many minutes as Heron or Purifoy. He's arguably been our most valuable player this year
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:09 pm to
Bruce doesn't want to be playing guys >30m a game. The mpg avg of even his best players like Tobias Harris in a down year hovered right below 30. Heron/Purifoy (even right now) is out of need not design. If we added a KT Harrell somehow, I don't see either getting >30m


I don't expect any player to play at our desired pace >30m without decreasing efficiency and exposing themselves to lazy defense.

Especially for guys like Harper/Brown who have aggressive games, that is just asking for lazy fouls and shot selection
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 12:15 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:16 pm to
I miss KT Harrell

For a stretch in the SECT, we were a #KTHarrellSchool. I wish he had the shot to play on a better Auburn team
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:18 pm to
How about Frankie Sullivan?

Our managers team is undefeated so far this season, and I have to believe a lot of it has to do with him.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:20 pm to
Ive seen our managers and it made no sense to me how that group was consistently winning.

Didn't realize Frankie is probably the Lebron of those games
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:21 pm to
Absolutely I would actually like to watch one of their games just to see him ball out again.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:22 pm to
Barbie years suck arse, we wasted so much talent.

I'd give naming rights to my child to have Chris Denison on this team. That guy would have excelled in this offense


Hell Jordan Price has been straight killing it at LaSalle and a big reason they are KenPom ~100
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:26 pm to
Kenny Gabriel too.
Posted by Zeroforwinger
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:41 pm to
He's definitely one of my Auburn favs. Nobody can top Doc Robinson though.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:43 pm to
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He's definitely one of my Auburn favs. Nobody can top Doc Robinson though.

12 points and five assists a game can easily be toppled. Don't care if he was old school or not.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:08 pm to
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Murray could end up being a great player, but as of now he hasn't contributed at all. I'll happily eat crow if he's a productive guy.


Well yeah that's because he just transferred and isn't eligible to play until next year
Maybe you're confusing him with GT LaRon Smith who will be gone next year and hasn't played much since Wiley got here?

Go watch DeSean Murray's highlights from Presbyterian. Dudes an athletic freak and can jump out of the gym. He must have a 41" vertical. Reminds me of a poor man's Barkley (in no way am I saying he'll have that type of impact, just meaning his style of play)
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:54 pm to
He meant more that we recruited a position we didn't need anyone to fill.

I imagine we did it because we thought there was a chance that Purifoy could go pro or that Wiley was slow to develop. We also probably didn't think McElmore would show so much promise either


I watched Murray in our scrimmages preseason, he is easily our best post player. He is the only guy with a natural touch around the rim to get the ball in the bucket. If he even develops any type of game driving or shooting he will be lethal for us


Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:54 pm to
He meant more that we recruited a position we didn't need anyone to fill.

When we took Murray though, we thought there was a real shot of Purifoy declaring, we didn't know Wiley would enroll early and our only post recruit was a huge development project in McElmore. Think of the realistic situation sans Murray we would have had

4- True FR Okeke + Raw project player McElmore
5- True FR Wiley + Horace Spencer


Our post situation, which looks like a huge strength in 2017, would have relied on multiple young guys developing quickly. That's on top of the known issues for the 2/3



I watched Murray in our scrimmages preseason, he was easily our best post player. He is the only guy with a natural touch around the rim to get the ball in the bucket. If he even develops any type of game driving or shooting he will be lethal for us


This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:58 pm to
For a comparison, Murray's game reminded me of a more athletic controlled Cinmeon Bowers who could make layups and he shoots 75+% FT SO year.

We hate on Cinmeon, but if he could shoot FTs + finish at around the rim he'd be a top player in the SEC. If he did that plus could shoot a jumper he'd probably have been the top player in the SEC
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