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Posted on 3/23/16 at 8:48 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 3/23/16 at 8:48 am to LanierSpots
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I am still confused on why any of you are surprised by this.
Its going to happen.
Because we all hope in our heart of hearts that our Head Coach is not that stupid.
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:05 am to Aubie Spr96
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Is this with or without drops? I feel like this goes to 60+% easily if we exclude the Arky drops alone.
Sean White wasn't the only AU QB to throw to wide receivers who dropped the ball.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:06 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Because we all hope in our heart of hearts that our Head Coach is not that stupid.
Robert Leff gets 1st team reps at LT and RT.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:56 am to TheJones
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I like Sean's potential but his 58% completion% doesn't make me want to jump on that train either
I thought it was pretty respectable when you considered the ridiculous # of drops our receivers had, the mickey mouse routes they ran and the even more mickey mouse play calling. still with how uncertain our OL is looking I doubt he will fare much better this year.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 10:59 am to GenesChin
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Sean White wasn't the only AU QB to throw to wide receivers who dropped the ball.
nope, not by a long shot. wasnt the only one hurt by the shitty play calling either. but I would say he was the victim of the most drops. if our receivers were even average last season we win 2 or 3 more games with White.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:47 am to AUTiger45
Yeah but JJ had a better completion% with the same receivers (duke was gone for SW, not sure how greatly that matters), same routes, and same play absurd playcalling.
That does not mean JJ > SW. It just seems strange that we all see how bad JJ played but fail to recognize that SW's stats were worse than JJ's
I'm not sure how anyone at this point can be particularly excited about any of them
That does not mean JJ > SW. It just seems strange that we all see how bad JJ played but fail to recognize that SW's stats were worse than JJ's
I'm not sure how anyone at this point can be particularly excited about any of them
Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:53 am to TheJones
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Yeah but JJ had a better completion% with the same receivers (duke was gone for SW, not sure how greatly that matters), same routes, and same play absurd playcalling.
That does not mean JJ > SW. It just seems strange that we all see how bad JJ played but fail to recognize that SW's stats were worse than JJ's
I'm not sure how anyone at this point can be particularly excited about any of them
Once they finally realized that JJ was gonna overthrow everything downfield right into the arms of the defense, they pretty much restricted him to short, high-completion rate passes.
That will drive up your completion percentage. It will also mislead if all you're looking at is completion percentage.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:55 am to TheJones
JJ was eventually restricted to five yard throws which helped his completion percentage. Do you not remember the Georgia game? He was 14-22 for 61 yards and a pick.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:06 pm to jangalang
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JJ was eventually restricted to five yard throws which helped his completion percentage
Despite that his YPA was only ~1 yard less than Sean White
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:08 pm to TheJones
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Yeah but JJ had a better completion% with the same receivers (duke was gone for SW, not sure how greatly that matters), same routes, and same play absurd playcalling.
On the other hand, you know as well as I do that not all comp% are created equal. What would be a more valid breakdown would be comp% coupled with length of the pass advanced stats. Many of JJs throws later in the year were just little quick screens. White was asked to make more advanced throws and when JJ was asked to do the same earlier in the year he threw a lot of picks. And I don't mind the lack of TD passes w/ White....the facts were that we were better in the RZ at scoring TDs when he was the QB...I don't really care much who did the scoring of the TDs.
I think the reason I'd be a little more excited about White was his stretch of play from the UK game to the Ole Miss game was really really good. 3 straight games of 250+ yds (or close to it) and was looking confident before he was injured. At no point in the year did JJ seem to get the offense moving at that rate.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:13 pm to GenesChin
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Despite that his YPA was only ~1 yard less than Sean White
White averaged 8.15 ypa and JJ avg 6.71....that is actually a really big difference. And before you say 8.15 isn't that good, Deshaun Watson's YPA was 8.36, Coker's was 7.91 and Chad Kelly's was 8.83.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:16 pm to GenesChin
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Despite that his YPA was only ~1 yard less than Sean White
His was reluctant to open up the playbook for Sean just as well until roughly the Arkansas game. By then, he already got himself injured.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:20 pm to jangalang
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His was reluctant to open up the playbook for Sean just as well until roughly the Arkansas game. By then, he already got himself injured.
I think we opened it up a little bit near the end of the UK game and that gave Gus some confidence that the moment wasn't too big for SW.
I do think that if SW is the starter our WR will have to be MUCH improved if we're to sustain any success. On the bright side I don't think its a stretch to believe we're more TALENTED at the WR spot this year than last year. Will that talent = results, we'll see.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:38 pm to jangalang
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JJ was eventually restricted to five yard throws which helped his completion percentage. Do you not remember the Georgia game? He was 14-22 for 61 yards and a pick.
I agree. I only brought up completion% because of the drops comments.
I thought Sean had a few good looking games but I think we're placing a little too much blame on the play calling. Gus wants to win games. There's got to be a reason why he wasn't letting Sean be Drew Brees on the field. If you've heard Sean White speak you would assume that it's fair to question his football IQ
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I think we opened it up a little bit near the end of the UK game and that gave Gus some confidence that the moment wasn't too big for SW.
So what do we make of the Memphis game, then?
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:42 pm to TheJones
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I'm not sure how anyone at this point can be particularly excited about any of them
hey, whoa... I never said jack about any excitement.
but I do believe both of them are better QBs than what we saw last season. I'd love to see a breakdown of the number of drops both had. regardless of who had more it was a ridiculously unacceptable number for both. yall are some depressing mofo's. the more I read in this thread the lower my expectations become. buncah damn debbie downers I tell ya what. 
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:45 pm to beatbammer
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It will also mislead if all you're looking at is completion percentage.
agreed you cant just look at completion % too many other variables. still to the naked eye SW played better than JJ and seemed to get less help. if nothing else SW showed a ton more heart and at the very least was JJ's equal while being pretty injured to boot.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:48 pm to WareagleKK
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And I don't mind the lack of TD passes w/ White....the facts were that we were better in the RZ at scoring TDs when he was the QB...I don't really care much who did the scoring of the TDs.
and even if you did mind you cant lay all the blame on SW for that when as soon as we crossed the 20 CGM forgot the forward pass was a legal play. after that one pick SW threw in the end zone early in the year I bet Gus didnt call 10 more passes in the red zone for SW. like I said before you have to take into account our shell shocked disney branded play caller.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:52 pm to TheJones
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If you've heard Sean White speak you would assume that it's fair to question his football IQ
yeah, he is much worse than any other QB I ever heard talk. thats about the most asinine comment in this thread.
if you cant see there was a problem with our red zone play calling you may not have room to be questioning anyone's football IQ...just sayin furthermore if public speaking translated to football IQ, and hell if football IQ was so important in the GM system please do explain Nick Marshall. Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:53 pm to AUTiger45
I'm not going to lie, the lack of TD passes( only 1) still worries me. Some passes that Sean threw were caught and downed within the five but still, he had a lot of passes attempted to only have one TD.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 12:55 pm to GenesChin
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Same reason that some people think Byron Cowart is definitely a bust after a single bad freshman year
He's not a bust yet, but you're lying if you say his freshman year was anything but highly disappointing. He was the #1 overall recruit on one service, consensus top 5 prospect and barely saw the field at a position where we were in dire need. It's one thing if he just didn't have the immediate impact of Nkemdiche or Clowney, but to not even start is a problem for a guy ranked that high
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