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Don't look now but The Hawks stink more by the game..
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:55 pm
Over the 3 games John Collins played the team gave up an average of just 101.3 ppg. Over the next 3 games Parker played well and the team gave up an average of 106 ppg, still pretty good by today's standards.
Then it went to crap. Last season the team gave up over 118 ppg, the most of any NBA team in 25 years. From game 7 thru game 9 this team gave up 119 ppg, they were back to last season's historically bad defense, but wait, it gets worse. Over the last 3 games the team has given up 129.5 ppg, truly, sensationally awful.
That gets us thru 12 games in 3 game increments. Tonight is game 13, they've already given up 69 at halftime.
So will we land top 5 pick in the 2020 draft ? It looks ''promising''.
Then it went to crap. Last season the team gave up over 118 ppg, the most of any NBA team in 25 years. From game 7 thru game 9 this team gave up 119 ppg, they were back to last season's historically bad defense, but wait, it gets worse. Over the last 3 games the team has given up 129.5 ppg, truly, sensationally awful.
That gets us thru 12 games in 3 game increments. Tonight is game 13, they've already given up 69 at halftime.
So will we land top 5 pick in the 2020 draft ? It looks ''promising''.
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:45 pm to Bill_M
no way this team ends up in the top 5 of the draft.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:15 am to VinegarStrokes
I think you're overestimating this team's chemistry, if that's what it's called. Right now the players don't make each other better.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:19 am to Bill_M
John Collins is our second vest player. On a young team it’s a massive loss.
Cam needs work. So do a lot of these young guys. It’s gonna be a rough first 1/3 of the season. It ebbs, and flows. I think if we can hover around .500 prior to January we’ll be in good shape. Our schedule, along with loss of Collins, is brutal.
Cam needs work. So do a lot of these young guys. It’s gonna be a rough first 1/3 of the season. It ebbs, and flows. I think if we can hover around .500 prior to January we’ll be in good shape. Our schedule, along with loss of Collins, is brutal.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:47 am to ATLabama
Parker has for the most part made up for the absence of Collins. Of course quality depth always helps. Parker is probably the better defender though and that's where this team has regressed very quickly to the mess they were last season.
When the season opened the team was hustling and making coordinated moves on defense. They look like they did last season now, almost uninterested to playing defense.
This is not a good team right now. As for Reddish, he may never be much more than what he is now. The guy has some puss in him.
When the season opened the team was hustling and making coordinated moves on defense. They look like they did last season now, almost uninterested to playing defense.
This is not a good team right now. As for Reddish, he may never be much more than what he is now. The guy has some puss in him.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:12 am to VinegarStrokes
Yeah its not going to happen without the luck of the ping pong balls or it going so bad that the Hawks slip to the 4th worst record to stay where there will be a 1 in 4 chance.
I said 7-18 before yesterday without Collins would probably be the best case (2 of which already were won). So, that looks like 9-26 by December when he's back.
The key is, after that, the Hawks already showed they care more about learning to win with the young players then trying to tank, they're trying to regulate tanking and even sitting healthy guys, and the schedule is friendly later in the year.
I can't see them not going 20-27 or so after everyone is back, and that might be a minimum too (that gets you back to 29-53). Young's sheer willpower will flat out steal a few games that shouldn't be wins again (you can argue that he already stole 3 of the 4 wins period), and if another thing repeats itself, the rookies will also be better later and that will lead to some of the other wins. The putrid record will also lead to some better teams overlooking them, and also lead to a few steals in that way too.
I said 7-18 before yesterday without Collins would probably be the best case (2 of which already were won). So, that looks like 9-26 by December when he's back.
The key is, after that, the Hawks already showed they care more about learning to win with the young players then trying to tank, they're trying to regulate tanking and even sitting healthy guys, and the schedule is friendly later in the year.
I can't see them not going 20-27 or so after everyone is back, and that might be a minimum too (that gets you back to 29-53). Young's sheer willpower will flat out steal a few games that shouldn't be wins again (you can argue that he already stole 3 of the 4 wins period), and if another thing repeats itself, the rookies will also be better later and that will lead to some of the other wins. The putrid record will also lead to some better teams overlooking them, and also lead to a few steals in that way too.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/18/19 at 4:48 pm to SECFan1995
If we finish bottom 4 we'll have a far better than 25% chance to land 1 of the top 4 players.
I think ending up in the bottom 10 is very possible, bottom 4 less likely.
I think ending up in the bottom 10 is very possible, bottom 4 less likely.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:06 pm to Bill_M
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think you're overestimating this team's chemistry, if that's what it's called. Right now the players don't make each other better.
I'm not overestimating anything. this team will not be bad enough for a top 5 pick and I'd be happy to revisit this at the end of the season.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:29 pm to VinegarStrokes
Definitive answers to an unknown has little weight outside of sports debates, so you're in your wheelhouse.
I've watched much of the 11 games The Hawks have played so far, they have a long way to go to be better than bottom 8.
I've watched much of the 11 games The Hawks have played so far, they have a long way to go to be better than bottom 8.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 8:11 am to Bill_M
I wouldn't judge too much about playing the Clippers, Phoenix, and the Lakers on the road without Collins, Huerter, VC, and whoever else was out.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 8:47 am to Bill_M
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The Hawks have played so far, they have a long way to go to be better than bottom 8.
then you should know that they won't be in the top 5 in the draft
Posted on 11/25/19 at 8:23 pm to Bill_M
This Hawks team is incredibly young, super talented and sure they miss JC in the lineup as he is an integral part of a developing system. As the chemistry develops and it will I think they have a solid chance to make a little noise this year.
Are they Philadelphia, Toronto, Milwaukee, no they are not nearly that mature and a true contender level team at his point. I want to see how this team responds in February and March then we will see what we have and have not.
Sides the Clippers are going to run a train I feel on everybody come crunch time.
Are they Philadelphia, Toronto, Milwaukee, no they are not nearly that mature and a true contender level team at his point. I want to see how this team responds in February and March then we will see what we have and have not.
Sides the Clippers are going to run a train I feel on everybody come crunch time.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:32 am to VinegarStrokes
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I'm not overestimating anything. this team will not be bad enough for a top 5 pick and I'd be happy to revisit this at the end of the season.
They are trying to prove you wrong right now. Lost 7 in a row and 10 of 11. Next three are on the road at Bucks, Pacers and Rockets so we might be looking at 10 in a row and a 4-16 record.
The schedule has been tough to start the year and will get easier.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:19 am to elposter
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The schedule has been tough to start the year and will get easier.
Most people saw this schedule and were very aware of how difficult it was.
The "goal" was to hover +/- 4 games of .500 and then make the charge on the back half. John Collins totally fricked us. We should be in that range, but are relying on Jabari Parker to carry the load on the post. He's played great, but he's better as a supplement, not as the primary option with zero depth behind them.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:19 am to ATLabama
Hate losing, but Trae is still fun as hell to watch even then.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:53 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Hate losing, but Trae is still fun as hell to watch even then.
Yup. We know JC is a future All-Star. Trae is one today. If Hunter and Reddish develop, we have a decent core.
I feel like we are already in position to get a big-time FA. People want to play with JC, and there is obvious young talent here. The facilities, training staff, front office, and basketball operations are A1. I think Lloyd and his staff are great.
Plus, if you ever go to a game, you'd never know it's a 4-win team. That arena is absolutely beautiful, and the experience is probably the best in Atlanta. Never thought it'd beat the Benz, but, it really is that good. Hawks averaging 94% capacity on the season. The crowds are lively - I think people see where this thing is going.
Absolutely salivating to see what the place will be like once we finally host a playoff game.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:48 pm to elposter
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They are trying to prove you wrong right now. Lost 7 in a row and 10 of 11. Next three are on the road at Bucks, Pacers and Rockets so we might be looking at 10 in a row and a 4-16 record.
The schedule has been tough to start the year and will get easier.
I stand by it.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:47 pm to VinegarStrokes
Up 6 tonight with a minute to go and are down by 19 at one point in OT. Horrible
Posted on 12/11/19 at 8:39 am to Smoke7024
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Up 6 tonight with a minute to go and are down by 19 at one point in OT. Horrible
One of the few times I've really ever questioned Lloyd Pierce... I know Trae isn't the best defender, but not having him on the floor after going up 6 is absurd.
This team is giving everyone fits, but can't close. I really wonder what the team's record would have been with John Collins still in the lineup.
Perhaps his suspension is a blessing. Alex Len is truly a tragic starting Center. I know people want to wait 'til 2020, but this team needs Andre Drummond BADLY. It's my sincere hope we prove competent when JC comes back, to be able to lure Drummond out of Detriot. That, plus one more lottery pick, will have us setup for success for a long time.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:58 am to ATLabama
It’s our shitty defense. Giving up the 3rd most points in the league. We get no pressure on the shooters.
We also lack a 3 pt threat. Dead last in the league at 32% 3P%.
We also lack a 3 pt threat. Dead last in the league at 32% 3P%.
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