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re: 2016 Arkansas Recruiting Thread - Football & Basketball Commits
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:50 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:50 pm to hawgfaninc
I think this is what we have to resign ourselves to, unfortunately. We can't have a coach that brings in nothing but stellar kids who make good grades and ALSO do/say anything to get the best of the best on campus. Those kids can be primadonnas.
It just sucks because we're not in a position (quality of the state of Arkansas' high school football) to really take those kinds of stands. That's not to say we can't be successful, but we're fighting with two arms tied behind our backs.
It just sucks because we're not in a position (quality of the state of Arkansas' high school football) to really take those kinds of stands. That's not to say we can't be successful, but we're fighting with two arms tied behind our backs.
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:51 pm to hawgfaninc
but yea the big three we're going after...
Porter to Texas
Kirstian to LSU
Cleveland to Florida
Porter to Texas
Kirstian to LSU
Cleveland to Florida
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:52 pm to oklahogjr
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t doesn't strike you as odd that in 4 years we've had 3 backs that were high rated.
Not at all. There's a very short window to make a career as a RB. If i was a top tier RB and saw Collins and Jonathan Williams with at least another year each, i would have looked for a top 25 program that had at least 1 less back to compete against, but im sure there were some with top RB's departing.
Rawleigh proved last year that even a 3 star recruit can come in and make an immediate impact without a redshirt.
If you're a legit 5 star, why go somewhere that potentially cuts your already short NFL career 1 year short by maybe red-shirting you?
I completely get the business decision of going elsewhere, just like i expect it was a huge sell for Whaley to see both Williams and Collins departing.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:54 pm to ocelot4ark
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It just sucks because we're not in a position (quality of the state of Arkansas' high school football) to really take those kinds of stands. That's not to say we can't be successful, but we're fighting with two arms tied behind our backs.
if bert hadn't shown progress every year he was here, the calls for him to bend more rules and blow more smoke would be louder
as it stands his way has been working so far
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:54 pm to hawgfaninc
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it's speculation by ya'll that we wouldn't have been able to pull whaley away from Georgia
Speculation backed up by logic. He committed to UGA. He decommitted when Richt was fired. Occam's Razor and such.
I've had my soul crushed way too many times to be blindly optimistic. DGB soured me on the kool aid when it comes to recruiting. I'm a realist. I'm optimistic when logic favors it and pessimistic when it doesn't.
My point is we're fricking lucky and our coaches need to turn up the heat next year in the case that the state of Arkansas doesn't drop a stud in their laps. Bert had a great relationship with AC3 and convinced him to ignore the big boys of CFB and come across the country no matter where he was, whether it be Wisconsin or Arkansas. More of that, please.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:55 pm to admiralduckwad
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There's a very short window to make a career as a RB. If i was a top tier RB and saw Collins and Jonathan Williams with at least another year each, i would have looked for a top 25 program that had at least 1 less back to compete against, but im sure there were some with top RB's departing.
Rawleigh proved last year that even a 3 star recruit can come in and make an immediate impact without a redshirt.
If you're a legit 5 star, why go somewhere that potentially cuts your already short NFL career 1 year short by maybe red-shirting you?
I completely get the business decision of going elsewhere, just like i expect it was a huge sell for Whaley to see both Williams and Collins departing.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:56 pm to admiralduckwad
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If you're a legit 5 star, why go somewhere that potentially cuts your already short NFL career 1 year short by maybe red-shirting you?
you can redshirt 1 year and have 2 productive years at the college level and not hurt your draft status. hell you might increase it as you have less wear and tear on you.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:01 pm to oklahogjr
thats true, but it doesnt impact the point im making of losing a year of resume building.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:01 pm to The_Joker
Pittman and the AC3 story backup my logic when it comes to recruiting. It's about connections that your coaching staff can make with a kid. It's not about what school you are at.
Pittman brought in studs on the oline pretty consistently, those kids committed to play for him for the most part. It's possible to bring in big time recruits here and hit our top targets but it requires great recruiting coaches. Our current staff is filled with great teachers and either so-so or unproven recruiters with the exception of Michael smith who appears to be a great recruiter and developer as he gets a lot of his top targets every year.
Pittman brought in studs on the oline pretty consistently, those kids committed to play for him for the most part. It's possible to bring in big time recruits here and hit our top targets but it requires great recruiting coaches. Our current staff is filled with great teachers and either so-so or unproven recruiters with the exception of Michael smith who appears to be a great recruiter and developer as he gets a lot of his top targets every year.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:01 pm to The_Joker
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Speculation backed up by logic.
ok it's still speculation
logic would also dictate that a big selling point to porter could have been tons of playing time for RBU and being the feature back. instead he committed to Texas where he'll be the feature back in his home state.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:05 pm to The_Joker
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Porter is a clear step down
Not so clear to me and my eyes. I really wanted this one. However, I've never seen us in on so many blue-chippers and assume the more we win, the more we close the deal with.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:11 pm to admiralduckwad
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thats true, but it doesnt impact the point im making of losing a year of resume building.
RBs require the least development and have the smallest need for resume building of any position on a football field. You can either hit holes fast or you can't. Blocking is the only area that really fluctuates during a college career. You see gradual improvement in most areas but that's just adjusting to the game and growing up. You know if a kid can run the ball well enough to declare early or not by the first time he gets a real opportunity. Not so with any other position. That's why the #1 and #2 RBs in this draft both only have 2 years of real production and neither is hindered by it. Staying for your senior year as a QB is almost always advantageous even with a good draft grade. Staying as a RB with a good draft grade almost never is.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:12 pm to hawgfaninc
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Porter to Texas
Kirstian to LSU
Cleveland to Florida
I'm going to tell myself that this disappointment is just something that we'll have to get used to as we continue to get more attention from the top recruits in the country.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:16 pm to Snizzzo
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Not so clear to me and my eyes. I really wanted this one. However, I've never seen us in on so many blue-chippers and assume the more we win, the more we close the deal with.
I feel like we're always "in" on a good number of them that never choose here. DGB, Solomon Thomas, Dalvin Cook, Raymond Wingo, Porter Gustin, etc. Even KJ Hill and Altee Tenpenny. This year doesn't seem that different to me.
Winning cures all though, as you said and we can't keep starting seasons off like we forgot what a football is.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:18 pm to ocelot4ark
Tuesday recruiting tidbits
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Arkansas cornerback target Kristian Fulton has set a time to announce his college decision on Wednesday.
Fulton, 6-0, 170 pounds of Metairie (La.) Rummel will announce at noon from Arkansas, LSU or Florida on Wednesday. ESPN rates him the No. 3 cornerback and No. 27 overall prospect in the nation.
While some reports having Houston Westfield offensive coordinator saying receiver Tyrie Cleveland is down to Florida, TCU and Houston, Cleveland has not confirmed that. If true, I would be surprised based on what I've been hearing. If anything, I would've said Houston was out of it.
Arkansas is not involved with former Alabama linebacker commitment Riley Cole of Onenota, Alabama. The Hogs wanted to sign four linebackers and that's how many they have committed.
Highly regarded junior offensive lineman Kevin Jarvis, 6-6, 340 of Park Ridge, (Ill.) Maine South said he will definitely visit Arkansas at some point. Offensive line coach Kurt Anderson visited his school during the contact period. He said his relationship with Anderson is big a reason for wanting to visit Fayetteville.
He has offers from Tennessee, Illinois, Rutgers and others. He expects the Hogs to offer fairly soon.
As of 1:10 pm, Arkansas has not reached out to Little Rock Christian running back Damarea Crockett, who's committed to Missouri.
Fax and ceremony times for Arkansas commitments on Wednesday:
DL Austin Capps of Star City- early and 5pm
WR Kofi Boateng of Arlington, (Texas) Lamar- 7 and 8am
S Deon Edwards of Clermont (Fla.) Lake Minneola- early and 10 am eastern
DL Briston Guidry of Metairie (La.) Rummel- 7:30 am and 11:45
TE Grayson Gunter of Madison, (Miss.) Central- around 7:45 and 8:45 am
Ath. T.J. Hammonds of Pulaski Robinson- 7:45 and 3:30
LB De'jon Harris of Marrero, (La.) John Ehret- ??? and 8:30
OL Jake Heinrich of Urbandale, Iowa- 7:30-8 and 9am
LB Alexy Jean-Baptiste of Pompano Beach, (Fla.) Coconut Creek- 6 and 9:15 am Eastern
FB Hayden Johnson of Columbia, (Mo.) Rock Bridge- 8:45 am and 4:15
WR Jordan Jones of Smackover- 7:30 am and 2
QB Cole Kelley of Lafayette, (La.) Teurlings Catholic- 7:30-8 and 10
RB Devwah Whaley of Beaumont, (Texas) Central- 7 and 10:30 am
LB Giovanni LaFrance of New Orleans, (La.) St Augustine- early and noon
S Micahh Smith of Marshall, Texas- 8 and 11:30 am
LB Dee Walker, 6-3, 210, 4.50 Moultrie (Ga.) Colquitt Count- 6 am Eastern
Still working on confirming times for the other commitments.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:32 pm to The_Joker
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RBs require the least development and have the smallest need for resume building of any position on a football field.
agreed, but you dont think seeing Collins with 2 years of eligibility left factored into anyone's decision?
If you couldnt predict the future, as a RB recruit, you could assume that williams wouldnt have been hurt and gotten the bulk of the workload, Collins wouldnt have had as much of a case to come out early and anyone being recruited last year would have seen very little playing time until their junior year.
You dont that would affect your decision if there was a top 25 program where you could play immediately?
Edit: How about Collins w/ 3 years left and WIlliams with 2 years left, which was the situation for the '14 class?
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:44 pm to admiralduckwad
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You dont that would affect your decision if there was a top 25 program where you could play immediately?
you do realize texas didn't even need to take a running back this year right? They weren't set on taking a runningback based on the shaggytexas boards opinions of their class.Their three deep this next year consists of a senior, freshman, and sophmore. It's been a given all year we need to take 2 in this class.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:49 pm to oklahogjr
thats fine. All im saying is i understand the dedcision making process that many highly rated backs make.
Georgia offered 19 RB's last year and didnt land a single one. Why do you think that is?
Because they dont run the ball, put RB's in the league, bad coaching, bad team, or maybe just maybe those 19 guys looked at the depth chart?
Georgia offered 19 RB's last year and didnt land a single one. Why do you think that is?
Because they dont run the ball, put RB's in the league, bad coaching, bad team, or maybe just maybe those 19 guys looked at the depth chart?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:50 pm to admiralduckwad
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thats fine. All im saying is i understand the dedcision making process that many highly rated backs make.
right but his decision wasn't affected by lack of playing time at texas but will be here?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 2:54 pm to admiralduckwad
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Georgia offered 19 RB's last year and didnt land a single one. Why do you think that is?
Probably because they fired their head coach and had a lot of staff turnover...
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