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re: It all started when Saban brought in Bill O'Brien
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:48 am to jryanw
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:48 am to jryanw
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Their TE is the best one we’ve seen in years. He’s better than most WRs in college football
I are, but we are talking about WRs.
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2. They had Pickens back for the championship last year.
Was not a first round pick and he barely played due to injuries.
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Kiffin is the best in the country at scheming guys open and I think he would even have a hard time trying to get these guys open
That is laughable. They might drop when they get open but they would get open. The majority of the time our WRs seem like they don't know what route they should run.
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4. Saban’s loyalty to hard workers who suck has contributed to this issue. Holden should’ve been processed already but he keeps getting to start. He’s too slow to be effective in the SEC. Same goes for Dalcourt. You
You will get zero argument from me on this. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:53 am to BigFolks6347
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Our route trees suck and it looks like our guys can’t get open.
How many times have you noticed 2 Bama WRs within 3 yards of each other? Our route trees are so bad they allow the opposing defense to tighten the field by design.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:08 am to YStar
Truth be told, I don’t see any development at Alabama for Bryce.
He appears to play the same game he did in high school.
And that is not on him.
He appears to play the same game he did in high school.
And that is not on him.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:42 am to jryanw
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Im not saying our scheme doesn’t need work I’m just saying that to act like the talent at WR isn’t a problem is crazy. Kiffin is the best in the country at scheming guys open and I think he would even have a hard time trying to get these guys open. 4. Saban’s loyalty to hard workers who suck h
These guys here are still hung up on recruiting rankings and it’s driving their anger at coaching.
What happens when they bring in a new coordinator but WR position sill underwhelms?
Last year it was the Oline coach needed to go. Well he was replaced however the Oline is sll average on a good day.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:55 am to TS1926
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These guys here are still hung up on recruiting rankings and it’s driving their anger at coaching. What happens when they bring in a new coordinator but WR position sill underwhelms? Last year it was the Oline coach needed to go. Well he was replaced however the Oline is sll average on a good day.
Exactly. Sometimes guys don’t live up to their rankings. We’ve had that at WR the last few years and oline as well. We keep bringing in 5 stars though so eventually we will hit on some again. When you have Steen transfer from Vandy and win the starting job at LT almost immediately your talent isn’t there. When you have Burton transfer as UGAs 3rd option at WR and start immediately the talent at WR isn’t there.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:36 am to Woody4daTide9
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Truth be told, I don’t see any development at Alabama for Bryce.
Another point I made that BOB defenders ignore.
Bryce is the same damn player he was after Sark left. BOB hasn't developed that kid even a little.
Even the offense ran could have pushed him to use his legs but BOB hasn't had any creative influence to push that direction.
In a decade people will me in awe how we amassed all this talent the past two seasons and never won a national title.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:40 am to TS1926
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These guys here are still hung up on recruiting rankings and it’s driving their anger at coaching.
Coaches are there to DEVELOP talent.
It's moronic a small section of our fanbase expects 17-year olds to walk in and be NFL pros without a good coaches influence.
I mean this entire concept shits on Saban has a developer of talent. It shits on the idea of Saban, Alabama and our "Process".
Kids have talent, but come to Alabama to be taught and developed.
OUR QBs HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED THE PAST TWO SEASONS.
Now look at development in other positions, since that butt-chinned moron took over last season. I mean his buddy was hired as OL coach and it took him less than half a season to undue all the hard work prior coaches put into developing them!
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:54 am to YStar
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It's moronic a small section of our fanbase expects 17-year olds to walk in and be NFL pros without a good coaches influence.
Oh no I agree but I think it’s probably more than one variable. I think the talent level is not what it once was.
Dline, WR is subpar. Oline, lbs, dbs are average.
You can see when players have raw talent, i.e. speed, agility power, explosiveness. I haven’t seen it from any of these guys.
Only QB is elite. Next year might be truly awful without innovation on offense and defense. But you are right, there is no development at the individual level at most positions.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:02 am to Ten Bears
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How many times have you noticed 2 Bama WRs within 3 yards of each other? Our route trees are so bad they allow the opposing defense to tighten the field by design.
There were at least two pass plays last night I remember where Bryce’s passes looked like they could have been going to 2 different receivers their routes were so close. Makes it pretty easy for the defense to cover
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:05 am to TS1926
We have an elite QB, RB and more than good enough WRs and OL.
Burton was GA's best WR last season and he comes here and looks like an absolute BUM.
Explain that?
It simple actually. A high-powered sniper rifle in the hands of a Navy Seal is far different than in the hands of some bum on the street.
The bum using it would have you think it isn't one of the most deadly weapons in the world.
Yet in the hands of someone skilled? Excellence.
BOB is the idiot bum who doesn't know how to use what is in front of him. I mean FFS we don't even have a go to 2-point conversion.
Burton was GA's best WR last season and he comes here and looks like an absolute BUM.
Explain that?
It simple actually. A high-powered sniper rifle in the hands of a Navy Seal is far different than in the hands of some bum on the street.
The bum using it would have you think it isn't one of the most deadly weapons in the world.
Yet in the hands of someone skilled? Excellence.
BOB is the idiot bum who doesn't know how to use what is in front of him. I mean FFS we don't even have a go to 2-point conversion.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 11:18 am to YStar
Across the board this team is Good, but not Elite. We can attribute that to many different factors, but it doesn’t change the reality.
I get everyone’s frustration with BoB and Golding, but it’s misdirected. Do we really believe either of those two make decisions without Saban’s approval?
Does Coach have a headset on, where he can tell the OC to get under center and run the ball on the goal line? Or change a defensive alignment?
So, I’m putting this squarely on cns. He has complete control of the football program and he gets complete blame for any failures.
Still believe in him, still want the team to do well, but stop with the BoB and Golding threads.
Maybe BoB and Pete are “slow working” and if there are no consequences, they will keep doing it.
Roll Tide forever!
I get everyone’s frustration with BoB and Golding, but it’s misdirected. Do we really believe either of those two make decisions without Saban’s approval?
Does Coach have a headset on, where he can tell the OC to get under center and run the ball on the goal line? Or change a defensive alignment?
So, I’m putting this squarely on cns. He has complete control of the football program and he gets complete blame for any failures.
Still believe in him, still want the team to do well, but stop with the BoB and Golding threads.
Maybe BoB and Pete are “slow working” and if there are no consequences, they will keep doing it.
Roll Tide forever!
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:13 pm to TS1926
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Last year it was the Oline coach needed to go. Well he was replaced however the Oline is sll average on a good day.
Our o-line is significantly better than last year. Is it close to 2020? No, but we aren't helping them with how we play. Our offense is too predictable, we wait until the play clock is at :03 or less to snap the ball when the defense already knows we are passing the ball. We start players because of loyalty over talent. These are all due to coaching, not the players.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:22 pm to Ten Bears
It appears out WR run straight to the coverage. We're stale at best.
Truth is this bunch is way way overhyped.
Truth is this bunch is way way overhyped.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:40 pm to FairhopeTider
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Yeah, Golding has his own issues and needs to be shown the door but we weren’t this bad as a team until O’Brien arrived.
5 quarters with out a TD is unfathomable with this offense and I have near zero confidence that he can call a play from inside the 10 ( compressed area) to get players open. It's simply down to players improvising
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To steal a line from Good Morning Vietnam "bill o Brien sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls"
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:49 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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It appears out WR run straight to the coverage. We're stale at best.
They are running the routes BOB is calling.
Just think for a second if you're a DC of another team and watch are film and see the percentages of what routes we run comparative to the down and distance.
That is an easy scout report to make and a simple game to call.
At this distance watch the fade and deep curl. This distance fade and deep dig. This distance watch the under.
It ain't even that complicated and that is why whenever they show us from the QB point of view we always are easily covered.
I mean half the time we have WRs running routes in the same area making it easy to blanket.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:59 pm to YStar
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Burton was GA's best WR last season and he comes here and looks like an absolute BUM.
Burton is a poor man’s John Metchie. He’s not a perimeter Ace.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:23 pm to TS1926
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Burton is a poor man’s John Metchie. He’s not a perimeter Ace.
Okay, so I guess UGA's McConkey is a 1st round WR and will get drafted much higher than sorry arse Burton?
Coaching makes a difference man. See the difference between Tua and that defensive coach and Tua with this offensive genius McDaniels.
McDaniels scripts creative ways to get Waddle and Tyreek open. He doesn't just line them up and expect them to somehow find a way.
HE DOES HIS JOB.
He finds different ways to line his guys up and get the ball to them.
I mean look at our offense and ask yourself when the last time we ran a reverse? When was the last time we ran a WR over? When was the last time we used misdirection with the WR to get one open?
We don't
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:26 pm to TS1926
Lot of good points that I agree with in this thread and a lot of truth.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:30 pm to YStar
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mean half the time we have WRs running routes in the same area making it easy to blanket.
I made the comment that BoB must have seen Top Gun too many times and v taken the "you never ever leave your wingman"
Because has WRs in pairs across the field
I don't recall this many passes with multiple options of receivers
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