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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:02 am to chattabama
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:02 am to chattabama
One of the frustrating things for me is that our linemen in our system become two gap space eaters so we bulk them up. As a result they are not as fast in getting after the quarterback. I'm tired of seeing qbs having enough time to order takeout to make their reads. Every year we hail this new recruit will be a monster pass rusher, and then seems to disappear within our scheme. I know part of that was the lack of blitzes we were able to do because of our weak corners. But I also think that a lack of pass rush exposed our weak corners. Chicken and the egg situation I guess.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:46 am to chattabama
Great discussion itt... appreciate the insight of the former players and coaches... great stuff
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:53 am to ApeDeuce
I love threads like this where we discuss football and schemes with no trolling or homers. It's nice to have a respite from all of the crap on the SECr.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:02 pm to chattabama
I think we need 2-3 bulked up nose guards that are ready to play each year. But ease up on bulking up the pass rushers and strong side interior OL. Like next year Ivory/Lake should keep bulking up and play NG and then add in a true fresh. The rest of the DL should focus on playing at a speed that they can disrupt the run & pass.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:04 pm to CrimsonTusk
Most of this is being address in recruiting already. We just do not to put too much weight on guys like Miller & Hand.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:56 pm to chattabama
As an outsider looking in. Y'all were missing a few people that were fits for Saban's scheme. I also think that he needs to either simplify or get rid of some of the pre snap reads against teams like us(hunh tempo)because it seems y'all aren't set and ready on a lot of plays when the snap occurs.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:23 pm to Agforlife
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Y'all were missing a few people that were fits for Saban's scheme. I also think that he needs to either simplify or get rid of some of the pre snap reads against teams like us(hunh tempo)because it seems y'all aren't set and ready on a lot of plays when the snap occurs.
Agreed!
Our base defense can't neutralize teams like TAMU, Oregon, etc, because it is built to stop traditional base offensive teams. We will see the 3-3-5 more and I hope more 4-2-5 to combat fast paced teams. With guys like Robinson, Allen, Hand, etc we could provide the much needed pressure up front and if we use Collins as the hybrid LB/DB in those sets, teams better watch out. But no matter the scheme, I think Saban will have to put his ego to the side and dumb down the pre-snap calls and just gamble at times and hope that our athletes can just make a play or stop them from making a big play.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:32 pm to 251_Dreaux
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The reason the 2011 defense was so good was because of all the smart players with a lot of experience. Barron, Hightower, Upshaw, Lester, etc etc etc
They could make a lot of adjustments without all of Kirby's help and do it a lot faster. They knew what to call themselves.
Other than Mosley, Sunseri, and sometimes DePriest, it looks like the rest f the defense depends on Smart and it takes them too long to get ready. Anyone else agree with this?
I agree with this.
I'm ready for next year, but that 2015 D will wreck shite and beat wives.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:00 pm to Agforlife
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it seems y'all aren't set
This is it right here, most of the successful plays against us are because of this. I think we need to simplify the way we signal in our plays not the actual plays them selves. Maybe a flash card system like some offenses use.
On each play:
We have to be mindful of down and distance
Be mindful of what they have been using during the game.
See what the other team has changed personnel wise
Run in our personnel
Call a play based on the personnel we have just run in
Relay the play to all the players( even the ones on the opposite side of the field)
Get into position
Deal with motion ( which in the past can sometimes change our play call)
Execute.
That is a lot to get right. The 3-4 is designed to defend the pass by disguise in a pre snap setting. Showing blitz and backing off and being able to blitz from any position or dropping a bunch of guys back into coverage.
The reason it has been so successful for us against the run is talent in the front seven. The reason we have been successful against the pass is we have screwed with opposing qbs head's. Talent back there has also really helped back there that even if they do complete a pass they get tackled quick and limit yac.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:01 pm to Chains
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As a retired coach, I ran the 5-2 for years. That's all the 3-4 is. When teams started throwing the ball more and got away I formation football, our adjustment was playing more athletic guys at Outside LB. I think we need to park the body types we have now and play more athletic guys at that position. Ronnie Clark may be the type we are looking for.
I agree with you.
The 3-4 that Georgia runs is based on pass rush and stopping the inside run. We've now got a more athletic strong side OLB in true freshman Leonard Floyd 6'4" 220 that can actually keep up with mobile qb's and cover TE's/rb's. On the weak side, Georgia still has the more prototypical pass-rushing OLB, but that might change this off-season. We've got another guy at SS right now that is more of Floyd's body type and he might end up Weak OLB, with any luck.
I know this isn't the UGA board... just illustrating how our defense is kinda-sorta doing what you are calling for on the Bama defense, specifically for spread hunh mobile qb offenses. If you are going to play Malzahn, Ole Miss, and Tamu every year, it needs to be more than just a defensive scheme, it might as well just be your base defense. If you ever find yourself up against a more pro-style offense like UGA or USCe, or in a bowl game, then make some adjustments to have some bigger guys on the outside for those games.
Here's another benefit of doing this.... now your corners don't have to be as physical, because the edge is less of their responsibility.. you can now play the faster guys who aren't necessarily the most physical tacklers.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:32 pm to deeprig9
I think even as complicated as our defense is it is still based on domination. And in our D you cannot dominate unless you have great knowledge of a very complex d. That is why as stated above it takes experience at pretty much all positions to perform where we want our d to perform.
Remember Dre Kirkpatrick sitting in the lockerroom after the 09 Sec championship. They asked him to describe the veteran dB's and he said repeatedly "They animals" and they were, but they were experienced smart animals.
Remember Dre Kirkpatrick sitting in the lockerroom after the 09 Sec championship. They asked him to describe the veteran dB's and he said repeatedly "They animals" and they were, but they were experienced smart animals.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:46 pm to tt54l32v
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See what the other team has changed personnel wise
Run in our personnel
Call a play based on the personnel we have just run in
And therein lies the rub. A lot of your defense is set up to run with certian groups of personel. When the offense goes hunh it messes up what Saban does best. Match up personel to the situation. When y'all have experienced personel it dosen't affect it as much but when y'all are young or having to play inexperienced personel and can't substitute it hurts y'all scheme wise. Oklahoma put in an almost complete new offensive scheme against y'all (plus their young qb played lights out) and it took to long for y'all to adjust to it. I don't doubt for one minute that y'all will have a killer defense again or the Saban won't figure out how to slow down the hunh teams it's what he does.
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