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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:56 pm to CrimsonTider98
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:56 pm to CrimsonTider98
Pettway, Houston, Deneen, Fain, etc are all still here from Grant's tenure.
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Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:57 pm to Bryant91092
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I wanted Grant gone but the revisionist history acting like he was some embarrassment to the game of basketball is ridiculous.
I'll say that he was an embarrassment to Alabama basketball. Go back and find a coach that we've had since the 60's that has produced worse on-court results.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:58 pm to Bryant91092
And FYI, I still have a lot of questions about CAJ. But, he's still a clear upgrade over Grant. People who compare him and his players to those from the Grant era truly forgot how bad things were then.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:01 pm to Bryant91092
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Ehh we went 20-16 and the season had a meh feeling overall although it was great to see us finally make the tourney again. I'll switch back to something supportive when I think he's a good coach.
Most analysts had us as a bubble team preseason. We got in and won our first tournament game in over a decade. The regular season record was only three games worse than I expected preseason, and I didn't think the SEC would be as good as it was.
If you think he's a mediocre coach that's fine, but his point about the schedule being tough was true, and comparing him to Johnny Jones based on his Ben Simmons team falls flat because that team didn't make the tournament. Hell that team didn't even try.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:06 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Our schedule was tough, but him incessantly bring it up after every loss was ridiculous.
And thank God our lottery pick bailed us out after the pitiful end of the season and saved what would've been an utterly wasted year and that's something Simmons couldn't do for Jones. I still see a lot of comparisons between Jones and Avery. Both are good recruiters whose game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Im sorry my pictures offend you
And thank God our lottery pick bailed us out after the pitiful end of the season and saved what would've been an utterly wasted year and that's something Simmons couldn't do for Jones. I still see a lot of comparisons between Jones and Avery. Both are good recruiters whose game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Im sorry my pictures offend you
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:06 pm to Bryant91092
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I wanted Grant gone but the revisionist history acting like he was some embarrassment to the game of basketball is ridiculous
What's worse is pretending that Obasohan was too far gone when Avery got here, and yet he was first-team All-SEC that year and one of the main reasons we played at a level way above what we were expected to.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:08 pm to CrimsonTider98
I'm definitely holding out to say he's an upgrade over Grant. He certainly talks more in a week than Grant ever would, but Grant also took us to the tournament in year 3 before regressing backwards. Hopefully Avery's tenure doesn't trend in that direction.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:11 pm to BigBird09
Retin was a different cat. He played much better when he got some real coaching. The rest of the Grant guys (Taylor, Hale, Kessens) were underdeveloped and didn't know how to play winning basketball. Again, the Grant era needed to be washed away. The loser's mentality of our program (that still persists to a degree based on some of these comments) under Grant was pathetic.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:13 pm to Bryant91092
Again, It's ridiculous to compare Avery to Grant. Sure, Grant made the tourney in his third year. Grant also coached in a down SEC. If Grant had coached in the SEC of the past three years, we would have had three losing seasons in a row. The league has improved. We actually can beat good teams now and sometimes our player's get better.
Let's also understand that by virtue of winning a single tournament game, Avery has already accomplished more in his tenure than Grant ever did. Therefore, he's an upgrade.
Let's also understand that by virtue of winning a single tournament game, Avery has already accomplished more in his tenure than Grant ever did. Therefore, he's an upgrade.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:19 pm to Bryant91092
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Our schedule was tough, but him incessantly bring it up after every loss was ridiculous.
Or maybe it was smart. Maybe he realized he had a young team that was clearly struggling with confidence at points throughout the season and wanted to stay positive instead of melting over every game like our fans do.
In 2014, after a pitiful game @Arkansas, all our fans wanted Saban to go after the team for playing like shite, but instead he said he was just happy to see the team happy about winning again and went after the fans. The team responded by beating the brakes off TAMU. Fans always want to coach to be negative, but sometimes the team doesn't respond to that.
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I still see a lot of comparisons between Jones and Avery. Both are good recruiters whose game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
So a lot being two broad comparisons? Jones couldn't coach defense at all. Avery's problems are all on offense. I don't think any of Jones' LSU teams resemble any of the ones Avery has had here.
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Im sorry my pictures offend you
I'm not offended at all.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:24 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I think this thread is illustrating maybe the most important difference between Avery and Grant. Avery has raised the expectations of the program, while Grant lowered them. We all clearly have much higher expectations for CAJ and are judging him on a different scale (which is a good thing).
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:41 pm to Bryant91092
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And thank God our lottery pick bailed us out after the pitiful end of the season and saved what would've been an utterly wasted year and that's something Simmons couldn't do for Jones. I still see a lot of comparisons between Jones and Avery. Both are good recruiters whose game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Im sorry my pictures offend you
I definitely see reason for concern on Avery, but Johnny Jones is an extreme comparison.
I love Sexton, but Simmons effortlessly had 20 pts, 12 Rebounds and 5 assists every game. Jones was also dealing with a pretty experienced roster with a couple talented frosh mixed in, while Avery was working with the third youngest in the nation. LSU was also nowhere near the conversation of making the tournament (RPI of 94). Those LSU teams under Johnny Jones were notorious for a lack of effort, and that's never been a problem with Avery. We just can't shoot.
I'm not saying Avery is above questioning, but it takes a special kind of stupid to reach Johnny Jones level of coaching.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:41 pm to CrimsonTider98
Avery Johnson- Beats more ranked teams than he loses to. Shows he’s capable of making the NCAA tourney, and advancing.
Anthony Grant- loses to more ranked teams than he beats. Made the tourney once in 6 years and never advanced.
Avery is 100% an upgrade over Grant. That really shouldn’t even be up for discussion.
Yes, there’s still some things I question about Avery. But he’s on a different level than Grant.
Anthony Grant- loses to more ranked teams than he beats. Made the tourney once in 6 years and never advanced.
Avery is 100% an upgrade over Grant. That really shouldn’t even be up for discussion.
Yes, there’s still some things I question about Avery. But he’s on a different level than Grant.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:00 am to BigBird09
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Those LSU teams under Johnny Jones were notorious for a lack of effort, and that's never been a problem with Avery. We just can't shoot.
Yes, Avery has definitely been a step up from Grant, and I don't think anyone can argue that. However, we had several games this year where effort was a big problem. You're right that we can't shoot, and hopefully that will get better next year. But I'd love to see us get more mentally tough. We had spurts last year where I swear we were the least mentally tough team in basketball. I'm sure (I hope) that will improve as the team gets older.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:35 am to train1523
I agree that we weren't mentally tough, and that led to times where we would give up on a game pretty early into it. I never saw a game where I thought our guys just didn't care though.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:37 am to BigBird09
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Simmons effortlessly had 20 pts, 12 Rebounds and 5 assists every game.
If Simmons had put in the work Collin did during college, he would've had one of the greatest individual college basketball seasons ever.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:37 am to CrimsonTider98
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Go back and find a coach that we've had since the 60's that has produced worse on-court results
I would make a VERY strong argument that David Hobbs was worse that Grant. He inherited a consistent Sweet-16 program loaded with future NBA talent and never did better than the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:49 am to JustGetItRight
Alright let’s hear it. Making the 2nd round of the tourney is already better than Grant.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:57 am to Gongora
Wimp only won 1 NCAA tourney game in his first 4 years if we are going to play this game.
Avery wins a tourney game next year, he'd be the only Ala coach to ever win 2 in his first 4 years.
Avery wins a tourney game next year, he'd be the only Ala coach to ever win 2 in his first 4 years.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 12:26 pm to McGregor
Not sure how we got here. Team Hobbs or Team Grant? Who you got?
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