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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:30 pm to BigBird09
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:30 pm to BigBird09
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but that is entirely incorrect.
Prove it...
Kostar freshman 27 mpg
Minaya freshman 26 mpg
Hinson sophomore 10 mpg
Haase freshman 20 mpg
Beatty freshman 14 mpg
Cuddy freshman 6 mpg
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:30 pm to Cobrasize
BYU/St.Marys is a big game for us tonight. It would be nice for BYU to pull it out.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:38 pm to GenesChin
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NBA style ISO / Pick and roll ball can definitely work, Bama just doesn't seem to have the consistent shooting to pull it off
Wake up.... This isn't the NBA, nor is their NBA caliber players out there for Bama.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:52 pm to BigBird09
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just don't understand why people are using this after we've just recently come off of a 4-game winning streak,
Cool we beat AU
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2 of which were won without our best player.
Kudos
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Then lays a dud against ole Miss(another dud I should say, hi UGA, hi Vandy).. For the most part wasnt even competitive and was behind double digits nearly the entire game.
That's why I say we don't
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actually show progressions and maturity as the season develops
I'm not asking to win all games.. But at least show up and be competitive especially in games on paper that you probably should win.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:58 pm to BigBird09
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gauntlet full of solid and very good teams.
Solid? Possibly. I would agree.
Very good?? Lololololol, rankings don't mean much but there is no team higher than 15 last I checked.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:29 pm to JordonfortheJ
Kotsar is a sophomore.
South Carolina's leading scorers
Silva- 14.7 Junior
Booker- 11.1 Senior
Kotsar- 8.6 Sophomore
Minaya- 8.3 Freshmen
Myers- 8.2 Senior
Gravett- 7.5 Junior
The rest are under 6 points a game. South Carolina has one freshmen they rely on to score. The argument that South Carolina is as young as us is laughable.
We beat the brakes off of South Carolina this year, they have a worse conference record than us, and they are 17 spots lower than us in RPI. Let's blow on Frank Martin though because he beat a Florida team that is 40th in RPI, lost at home to Loyola-Chicago, and lost to the same Ole Miss team that everyone is killing Avery for losing to.
Frank's made 1 tournament in 5 years at SCAR, and the team he left Kansas State has made it 3 times in that time frame. They had a great run last year, but that's just the way basketball goes sometimes. It's not like that team was full of talentless hacks either. Dozier a sophomore and Thornwell a senior were both top 30 recruits on 247 and are both in the NBA currently.
South Carolina's leading scorers
Silva- 14.7 Junior
Booker- 11.1 Senior
Kotsar- 8.6 Sophomore
Minaya- 8.3 Freshmen
Myers- 8.2 Senior
Gravett- 7.5 Junior
The rest are under 6 points a game. South Carolina has one freshmen they rely on to score. The argument that South Carolina is as young as us is laughable.
We beat the brakes off of South Carolina this year, they have a worse conference record than us, and they are 17 spots lower than us in RPI. Let's blow on Frank Martin though because he beat a Florida team that is 40th in RPI, lost at home to Loyola-Chicago, and lost to the same Ole Miss team that everyone is killing Avery for losing to.
Frank's made 1 tournament in 5 years at SCAR, and the team he left Kansas State has made it 3 times in that time frame. They had a great run last year, but that's just the way basketball goes sometimes. It's not like that team was full of talentless hacks either. Dozier a sophomore and Thornwell a senior were both top 30 recruits on 247 and are both in the NBA currently.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:38 pm to JordonfortheJ
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HS 1 on 1 streetball, guys standing and watching isn't going to win much at this level
Yet you're praising South Carolina who is an absolutely miserable offensive team. By the way South Carolina lost @Ole Miss too. In fact Ole Miss is 4-0 in home conference games.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:44 pm to JordonfortheJ
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JordonfortheJ
Who pissed in your grits?
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Prove it...
Pretty easy:
Legit rotation players:
Kotsar sophomore
Minaya freshman
Haase freshman
Beatty freshman (just 14 mpg though)
Spotty minutes:
Hinson sophomore - appeared in just 10 games thus far and averages just 10.4 mpg
Cuddy freshman - appeared in 14 games and average just 6 mpg
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South Carolina (a team that plays 6 or 7 fresh and soph heavily
Those are your words and the last 2 I mentioned clearly aren't heavily relied on. Don't get pissed when someone calls out an incorrect post.
And not one of those freshmen and sophomores in the rotation are heavily relied on to score. Not one. The fact that you are comparing a middling (at worst) experienced team to the third least experienced team is quite amusing.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:24 pm to JordonfortheJ
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Then lays a dud against ole Miss(another dud I should say, hi UGA, hi Vandy)
Funny how you praise South Carolina for turning it around after a rough start in SEC play and then complain about our 2 losses when we were 1-2, before going on a 4-game winning streak.
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For the most part wasnt even competitive and was behind double digits nearly the entire game.
Huh?
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I'm not asking to win all games.. But at least show up and be competitive especially in games on paper that you probably should win.
Serious question, but weren't Vandy, UGA, and Ole Miss favored? I was upset after the UGA game too, but the Ole Miss loss wasn't nearly that bad and it comes off of a 4-game winning streak. Both Petty and Sexton were extremely off, and Sexton couldn't buy a Whistle. Sometimes it's just not your night.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:40 pm to BigBird09
Calipari runs 5 new freshmen out there almost yearly and they take some lumps early but by tournament time, nobody wants to face them.
And before you say UK puts a way more talented group on the floor, didn’t we just haul in the 3rd best class in America? I’m not saying we should be Kentucky but we shouldn’t be getting our teeth kicked in by Ole Miss and struggling in almost every game we play, win or lose.
Why are some of you making excuses for Avery? I’m not saying it’s time to fire him yet but I am saying I’m not impressed with his coaching this season. The last two years the excuse was we had no talent, now this year it’s all our talent is young and inexperienced. What will it be next year? How long do we accept this level of mediocrity because it’s better than the level of mediocrity we had before?
I’m just not buying into this argument that we are right where we should be. I just want to win again and get in the tournament. Why is it too much to ask that we be competitive and scrappy with anyone on our schedule?
And before you say UK puts a way more talented group on the floor, didn’t we just haul in the 3rd best class in America? I’m not saying we should be Kentucky but we shouldn’t be getting our teeth kicked in by Ole Miss and struggling in almost every game we play, win or lose.
Why are some of you making excuses for Avery? I’m not saying it’s time to fire him yet but I am saying I’m not impressed with his coaching this season. The last two years the excuse was we had no talent, now this year it’s all our talent is young and inexperienced. What will it be next year? How long do we accept this level of mediocrity because it’s better than the level of mediocrity we had before?
I’m just not buying into this argument that we are right where we should be. I just want to win again and get in the tournament. Why is it too much to ask that we be competitive and scrappy with anyone on our schedule?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:01 pm to phil4bama
I love the upvotes for praising a mediocre south Carolina team that we beat the piss out of...All the while downvoting anyone who makes a rational argument for Avery . Calipari is even struggling right now with his young kids and they still haven't beaten a ranked team. South Carolina didn't get to the tourney until year 5... Yet we re in the field according to every expert while we re playing one of the top 10 toughest schedules in the country. Not to mention we re getting a full roster together finally. Inexperience and injuries aren't excuses they're reasons ...Big difference.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 6:59 am to phil4bama
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And before you say UK puts a way more talented group on the floor, didn’t we just haul in the 3rd best class in America?
Nope. Finished 8th in composite rankings. But , let's compare 1 5-star, 2 four-stars and a couple 3 stars to UK's 6 5-stars and 2 top 100 players (and this was a down year). UK was ranked (fairly high) through non-conference play and have struggled through SEC play thus far (a sign of them getting worse) and they have the most experienced coach ever in dealing with young players.
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I’m not saying it’s time to fire him yet
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GTFO Avery and take that Pelicans GM job because you SUCK as a college coach.
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I’m not saying we should be Kentucky but we shouldn’t be getting our teeth kicked in by Ole Miss and struggling in almost every game we play, win or lose.
First: We didn't get our teeth kicked in. This game never really felt out of reach until the final 5 or so minutes and it was never at any point a blowout.
Second: Have you watched UK this year? Louisville aside, they've struggled against every decent team they've played this year. They even struggled against RPI 241 Troy and RPI 183 Harvard, both at home.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 7:01 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:31 am to BigBird09
Feel some tension in here.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:18 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Yet you're praising South Carolina who is an absolutely miserable offensive team. By the way South Carolina lost @Ole Miss too. In fact Ole Miss is 4-0 in home conference games.
Not praising them... They are just starting to look more cohesive..than we are at this time. So what we beat them at home.. if we played them in Columbia tomorrow we would lose by double digits.
I don't know why y'all are making so many excuses.. if you don't see a problem with losing to last place teams.. squandering 20 point leads at home then I don't know what to say.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:40 am to Bamainva40
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I've seen them quit once this year..Against Texas and that was just frustration more than anything.
Tough to argue that we didn't quit against Georgia. We definitely did. While I don't think anybody can say this season hasn't been incredibly frustrating, I have been encouraged by the improved play the last couple of weeks. If we can knock off OU and Mizzou at home in our next couple of games, we should be sitting pretty for the NCAA (ie a better than 10 seed) barring a complete collapse.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:42 am to phil4bama
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The last two years the excuse was we had no talent, now
Do you think this wasn't true?
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now this year it’s all our talent is young and inexperienced
Again is this not true?
It's not like people are just throwing shite at the wall and seeing what sticks. These excuses are legitimate. Bruce Pearl and Frank Martin both took four years to field really competitive squads. Avery has fielded ones with mediocre at best rosters until this year every season.
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And before you say UK puts a way more talented group on the floor, didn’t we just haul in the 3rd best class in America?
I feel like you know this is a ridiculous comparison. Kentucky's recruits have an average rating of >99 on 247. Our average player rating last recruiting class was like 92-94ish. 3 of our 5 signees didn't even get a second look from Kentucky.
If we have this ten man rotation next year,
Ingram- Jr
Petty- So
Mack- Jr
Key- Jr
Hall- Sr
Herbert- So
Butler- Fr
Giddens- Jr
Reese- So
Smith- So
And don't make the tournament then Avery's seat will be on fire. That's assuming we don't make it this year which I think is a 50-50 chance.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:49 am to TomRollTideRitter
If (a big if in college basketball I know) Avery can continue to recruit well and keep the team together, we're looking at a great lineup in 2019-2020
Ingram- SR
Key- SR
Giddens- SR
Mack- SR
Petty- JR
Herbert- JR
Galin- JR
Reese- JR
Butler- SO
Wood- SO
Fleming- SO
Watford- FR
Kira- FR
Ingram- SR
Key- SR
Giddens- SR
Mack- SR
Petty- JR
Herbert- JR
Galin- JR
Reese- JR
Butler- SO
Wood- SO
Fleming- SO
Watford- FR
Kira- FR
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Grant's style didn't bother me at all
On the subject of style, I went and watched UAH play last night against Valdosta State. The UAH offense is so fun to watch. Lenny has a really young team this year and they are struggling relative to the success he has been having, but they still fill up the basket. Lost last night 97-93 in OT to the #14 team. I know its a totally different level of ball, but I would love to see what Lenny's offense could do at a place like Bama.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:02 am to train1523
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Tough to argue that we didn't quit against Georgia. We definitely did. While I don't think anybody can say this season hasn't been incredibly frustrating, I have been encouraged by the improved play the last couple of weeks. If we can knock off OU and Mizzou at home in our next couple of games, we should be sitting pretty for the NCAA (ie a better than 10 seed) barring a complete collapse.
Completely agree. UGA was where I started to flip my shite. That was way worse than the Texas game IMO. At least with Texas, they had a reason to quit. If you can't hit the 3-ball nor get Bamba in foul trouble, you might as well go home.
That sums up my feelings as well. It's been very frustrating at times, but recently we've looked solid so this doom and gloom is just annoying at this juncture.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:09 am to ArabianKnight
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On the subject of style, I went and watched UAH play last night against Valdosta State. The UAH offense is so fun to watch. Lenny has a really young team this year and they are struggling relative to the success he has been having, but they still fill up the basket. Lost last night 97-93 in OT to the #14 team. I know its a totally different level of ball, but I would love to see what Lenny's offense could do at a place like Bama
It amazes me he hasn't landed a bigger gig yet. I've been hoping for a few years now that we'd throw him some major money to be an assistant here. Local guy who has a great knack for offensive flow and finding the shooters and passers to run it.
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