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re: We have to give Kirby time

Posted on 9/24/16 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 9/24/16 at 10:34 pm to
I hope Smart proves to be a great coach. I'm reading through the thread right after we fired Richt and it is quite entertaining.

VADawg, Kneehigh, SumterCo, Spunky, Prettyboy Floyd, td, LedDawgK, a few others and myself were all aboard the Tom Herman train.
This post was edited on 9/24/16 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Lucius Clay
Member since Sep 2012
3420 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 1:00 am to
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I think Smart will be ok but we gotta hire a home run to run the offense It ain't Chaney.


I thought Chaney was a disappointing hire. But maybe he was the best guy available and willing to go into a situation with a brand new 40-year-old head coach.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 5:19 am to
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So in summary, we have one top 100 player, and four other top 250 players. Six 4-stars, and seven 3-stars in total. Our current offensive line class has two top 100 players, one other top 250 player, and one 3* tackle. We are showing improvement already in the offensive line recruiting.



I'm curious, and don't know if you have the time.....but can you put together what Ole Miss has?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 5:33 am to
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Saban's first year at LSU, he went 8-4 including a loss to UAB.


True. But LSU was 3-8 the year before he got there.

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Saban's first year at Bama, he went 6-6 including a loss to La Monroe.


Also true...but the year before Alabama was 6-7.
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It takes time to build a program.

I'm not saying Kirby is going to be the next Saban, but I am saying it's too early to judge either way.


I also agree. It's way too early to start screaming "Fire Kirby!" Let's give him a little time. 2-3 years before we give up on him. He needs a couple of recruiting class.


Here is my problem with this board, and I get ridiculed every time I say it:

Double standards and unrealistic expectations. Richt went to overtime with Georgia Southern and people melted hard and pointed out how bad a coaching job it was. We had a ton of more talent and Southern made it close.
Nichols almost beat us, and very little is said. Georgia Southern is a MUCH better team and program than Nichols.

We got blown out by Alabama and it was because of a lack of preparation. We get blown out by Mississippi and it's because Richt left Smart with no talent. (Never mind that Richt won 10 games the year before and we really didn't lose that much and mad a drastic improvement at the most important and lacking position)

In short....Richt is gone. Let him go. Quit placing the failures of the current coaching staff on Richt, and lets give Smart time to get his own players in place. Chalk up this years failures to a young coaching staff learning and not having the players to run the system they want to run. If they can't get the right players in 2-3 years, then maybe we should look elsewhere.

I'm not sure what everybody expected this year. I felt we should at least get what we got last year, and so far that is what we are getting. Richt had his faults and shortcomings as a coach. Smart is struggling, right now. Let's let Richt coach Miami and give Smart a chance to develop.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 5:37 am to
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Funny, all the coaches you speak of win by recruiting, not coaching. Maybe Smart can recruit well enough to cover for the shite coaching job on the field. ..


Come on Peter, you know better than that. I mean, everybody knows I was a huge Richt supporter.


However, Muschamp recruits lights out. It takes both. Recruiting is their strongest point, but they also know their way around x's and o's and how to handle the players.

Let's give Smart a chance. I don't think I am ready to get rid of him after 4 games.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14160 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 7:29 am to
People will use the circumstances at hand l to promote their position - regardless of whether it's consistent or not. I agree that the same factors that contributed to the loss to FL and OT with GSU last year probably contributed to Nicholls and OM this year. Some players come and go - but overall the lack of depth and consistent SEC caliber players in key positions has been noted both last year and this year. Is that CMR's fault or just bad luck/attrition? Who knows?

I think it's safe to say that our recruiting and talent have been inconsistent at best - which includes last year. We snag just enough top talent to finish high in the recruiting rankings but it doesn't seem to translate to success against the top SEC teams on the field. For every Eason and Murray we get a Ramsey and LeMay. For every Gurley there's a Crowell....and we all know about the 2013 class.

To your point though - I do think a first year HC should get more leeway with a blowout than a guy who's been HC for 10 years. If it continues to happen then it's a whole different issue.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:03 am to
When I coached my kids in football. There were 3 types of coaches.

1. Clueless
2. Clueless but recruiters
3. Football people


Clueless didn't understand football and didn't teach football and got kids hurt.

Recruiters were the ones who put together a coalition of parents to get their kids on the same team and ended up with a kid who was a superstar that didn't come to the combine. Main goal is to win and teaching football takes a back seat.

Football people teach football. They were the hadest to play against. You can tell immediately. They tackled well, blocked well, caught the ball well, and didn't run a lot of plays, but the ones they ran were executed well.

With that said, the recruiters usually had one or two kids who were just a lot better than everyone else. They would win games due to a large talent gap overall and a superstar they could hand the ball to.

Beating the recruiters was sweet..

Catching the football, tackling, being in position, basic blocking technique. That is all coaching. You can win with a well disciplined and well coached team.

I guess some of y'all want a recruiter and not a coach.... Talent makes a difference.... No doubt....so does coaching. This team does a lot of stuff that makes me question the coaching. I guess we just have to wait for him to get a bunch of dads to have their kids join his team so coaching won't matter as much.


Sad....
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:05 am to
3rd year. 2nd year was the blackout game , Bama finished 6th. 1st year was UGA one and done OT game and UGA got screweed by media and LSU(2 loss) claiming dawgs didn't win the SEC so couldn't play for title. When everything fell apart championship weekend.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 8:11 am
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:07 am to
He has to have time. I think firing richt was the right move and if anything was a few years overdue. At the time, Kirby was about third on my list of desired hires. I think Georgia could have done better and hired a proven, offensive minded head coach, which is much more likely to result in quick success.

With that said, Smart is who we have. I was furious with our teams performance yesterday. Even though there are talent deficiencies, there really is no excuse for coming out and getting embarrassed like that. The two keys to me are:

1. Continued recruiting at the highest level
2. This team developing through the year

If Smart can recruit like he has so far, then even if he is our muschamp, he along with Greg Mcgarity will be fired in 2 or 3 years and someone will walk in to a stacked roster with potentially 2 stud qbs on campus.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:11 am to
I have no doubt he will recruit at a high level. I'm sure he and his staff can coach. Pretty upset to see them playing like they are poorly coached. The same players that played better last year.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14160 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:11 am to
I think it's fair to say that 4 games in is too early pass judgement on CKS. It's not like WR drops and poor tackling haven't reared their head in the past under CMR.
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:15 am to
Upset is an understatement for how I felt yesterday. It does blow my mind how certain players that were serviceable last year (Briscoe, Reggie Davis) are completely incompetent/non factors this year, and it's hard to pin that on anything but coaching. Based on the tiny sample size, I'm not thrilled with Tucker or Chaney, but it will be easier to speak definitively after a whole season.
Posted by Fats
Member since Nov 2012
3316 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:24 am to
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It does blow my mind how certain players that were serviceable last year (Briscoe, Reggie Davis) are completely incompetent/non factors this year

Not excusing the poor play because they did stink but Reggie Davis was not serviceable last year. He was a liability at receiver and as a PR/KR specialist. Briscoe only started 2 games and we had the benefit of a pass rush and playing some pretty bad passing teams when he played.

I agree that Kirby needs more time. Just look at the number of guys from the 2016 class who are already playing and that should tell you all you need to know.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:07 am to
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We did not hire Kirby to give him time, we hired him to improve on what Richt did. And he needs to do that fast.




SEC East Champs by year 3 or he should be encouraged to seek opportunities elsewhere UNLESS we have a unusual number of injuries or UT or UF simply become some sort of 1990's Florida Power House.....but given a normal amount of injuries and the current situation in Knoxville and Gainesville there is no reason we shouldn't be competitive in the weakest division in college football....Im not suggesting that we beat Bama, AM, Ole Miss, LSU, Arkansas or Auburn in the SEC Title game...that is simply asking too much...all I am asking is that we beat enough of the weak arse SEC east to win the division.....
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32802 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:23 am to
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Quit placing the failures of the current coaching staff on Richt, and lets give Smart time to get his own players in place. Chalk up this years failures to a young coaching staff learning and not having the players to run the system they want to run.


You acknowledge we don't have the guys on the roster now, but you don't want the guy responsible for that to be blamed for that.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32802 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:32 am to
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blow my mind how certain players that were serviceable last year (Briscoe, Reggie Davis) are completely incompetent/non factors this year,


Are you sure you saw them last year?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:33 am to
We have the guys to play better than the team has played. Play the hand you are dealt and coach em up. He isn't getting any new players til next year. Show us you can coach Kirbs... Anyone can win with better players...coaches make the best out of the players they have...
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63873 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:42 am to
Pittman is supposed to be a master of OL coaching. Some kind of Yoda for offensive line.

They don't seem to move very fast.

Is that coaching or recruiting?

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32802 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:45 am to
I get it, you think great coaching can make a slow footed LT quick, a weak center strong, and a butterfingered WR catch everything.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42471 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:47 am to
My biggest problem with the WR (at least Mckenzie) is the form. It's like they try and basket catch it and/or let the ball come into their body instead of going out and getting it with their hands.

Even on Isaiah's first touchdown catch last week he absolutely went about catching that the incorrect way.
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