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Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:00 am to Dawgsontop34
Kirby has 3 years.
Since 1990, every coach to ever win an SEC Championship did so in his first 3 years.
Since 1990, if a new coach did not win the SECC in his first 3 years, he never did... only 2 exceptions (tubberville and fulmer).
Kirby has 3 years.
And think about this...
3 years from now, how different will this team look...
Probably some different assistants, different running backs and linebackers, IPF, may not be pro-style offense anymore.
A totally different team than we have today, a totally different program.
If that team 3 years in the future from today doesn't win the SEC, then Kirby is gone.
Since 1990, every coach to ever win an SEC Championship did so in his first 3 years.
Since 1990, if a new coach did not win the SECC in his first 3 years, he never did... only 2 exceptions (tubberville and fulmer).
Kirby has 3 years.
And think about this...
3 years from now, how different will this team look...
Probably some different assistants, different running backs and linebackers, IPF, may not be pro-style offense anymore.
A totally different team than we have today, a totally different program.
If that team 3 years in the future from today doesn't win the SEC, then Kirby is gone.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:05 am to deeprig9
Completely agree with everything you just said. Especially with our last two recruiting classes being more than serviceable.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:34 am to djsdawg
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I get it, you think great coaching can make a slow footed LT quick, a weak center strong, and a butterfingered WR catch everything
Yes sir, you teach catching, you teach footwork, you teach leverage. That is all coaching son... You demand it... This is how teams with 2 and 3 star players beat teams it's 4 and 5 star players. Coaching....
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:50 am to djsdawg
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You acknowledge we don't have the guys on the roster now, but you don't want the guy responsible for that to be blamed for that.
No, I didn't acknowledge that at all. I said we don't have the players that fit Smart's system, or that can do the job that Smart wants to be done. Surely you aren't insinuating that Richt should have recruited based on Smart's system?
He recruited very well. We had top 10 classes almost every year and cracked #5 once or twice. The talent is on the roster. It simply does not match what Smart is wanting to do. That's why I argue you give him 2-3 or even 4 solid years.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:55 am to djsdawg
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I get it, you think great coaching can make a slow footed LT quick, a weak center strong, and a butterfingered WR catch everything.
No. What Peter is saying is that Richt won 10 games last year with that talent. Oregon, Arkansas, Louisville and countless other teams do not have the talent we have and they look better. We consistently recruit better than all of the above teams. For that matter, I would be willing to bet in the last 10 years we have recruited better than Ole Miss in 7-8 of those years. To argue that Richt left the cupboard bare seems ludicrous.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:57 am to Dawgsontop34
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Even on Isaiah's first touchdown catch last week he absolutely went about catching that the incorrect way.
Which is very confusing, because one of his TD passes was thrown over his head and he jumped up (Or reached) and pulled it in. He has the hands, but lacks the confidence, I believe.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:59 am to DawgsLife
They don't fit because they aren't big enough, fast enough, good enough, or tough enough. It's not like our scheme has changed drastically.
That said, yesterday was way worse than it should have been even with those deficiencies. Gotta make the best of what we have.
That said, yesterday was way worse than it should have been even with those deficiencies. Gotta make the best of what we have.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:05 am to DawgsLife
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Surely you aren't insinuating that Richt should have recruited based on Smart's system?
Surely you aren't insinuating Jim Donnan recruited players based on CMR's system?
See who this works.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:25 am to Crowknowsbest
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They don't fit because they aren't big enough, fast enough, good enough, or tough enough. It's not like our scheme has changed drastically.
Maybe. but those deficiencies seem to be making more of an impact now, than they did before. Sure, Alabama blew us out last year, but Ole Miss isn't Alabama, and we looked worse against Ole Miss (or at least as bad) than Alabama. Same could be said about Georgia Southern and Nichols. Your argument points more to a coaching failure than a talent gap. I still think that Smart is used to dealing with Alabama talent and is asking our players to do the same things that were asked of the players at Alabama. Until we get a higher level of talent the coaching expectations have to be adjusted, don't you think?
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:27 am to DawgsLife
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o. What Peter is saying is that Richt won 10 games last year with that talent.
No, he isn't saying that. We lost a ton of experienced talent to the nfl and their replacements aren't close to as good as they were.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:27 am to RD Dawg
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Surely you aren't insinuating Jim Donnan recruited players based on CMR's system?
See who this works.
You are correct. But I wasn't the one blaming the previous coaches recruiting for the issues we have going on. I didn't blame Donnan for any shortcomings that Richt had like you guys are blaming Richt for everything that is going on now. See how that works?
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:28 am to DawgsLife
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To argue that Richt left the cupboard bare seems ludicrous.
He left it lacking in experienced talent at key positions. How about that?
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:32 am to DawgsLife
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Maybe. but those deficiencies seem to be making more of an impact now, than they did before.
It's the 2013 class' senior year, so that would make sense. 2014 (juniors) was a small class too.
It's Smart's job to get it fixed. This season could be tough though.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:32 am to djsdawg
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We lost a ton of experienced talent to the nfl and their replacements aren't close to as good as they were.
I'll be checking in from time to time this afternoon, so go ahead and respond, but please be patient with my answers. I'll respond when I get a chance.
If you don't mind...who was all of that talent that we lost?
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:35 am to Peter Buck
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teach catching, you teach footwork, you teach leverage. That is all coaching son... You demand it... This is how teams with 2 and 3 star players beat teams it'
With equal coaching, the better talent is gonna do better than the lesser talent. Coaching has its limitations as your nfl career proved.
No coach is gonna make Catalina and Pyke good sec ot's, and I bet the nfl draft is gonna prove that point. That's just a silly idea you have made up.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:36 am to djsdawg
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He left it lacking in experienced talent at key positions. How about that?
That I can agree with. But the same could be said about every other team? Do you seriously believe that other teams are not in the same boat?
Which key positions are we lacking at? I can agree with depth...but we are not devoid at any position.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:38 am to djsdawg
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With equal coaching,
There is no such animal out there. No two coaches are equal in abilities. There are greater gaps with some than others...but if anybody thinks it is talent alone or coaching alone, they are sadly mistaken.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:41 am to DawgsLife
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but we are not devoid at any position.
Yes, we are and it is arguably the most important position group in all of college football. Offensive line.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:23 pm to DawgsLife
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Which key positions are we lacking at? I can agree with depth...but we are not devoid at any position.
Special teams - PK & Kickoffs.
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