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Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:10 pm to Whiznot
QB1: As a redshirt freshman, he was thought to be very talented but had to beat out an older player for the job. The older player was considered to be the safer pick. This QB put up a stat line of 237/341, 3121 yards, 36 TD and 8 INT.
QB2: As a senior, there was a super talented and ultra hyped freshman waiting behind him. The senior had a so so season before and was the safer choice. This player went 57/93, 620 yards, 5 TD and 2 INT before the coach decided the offense needed more explosion and replaced him with the freshman, who rallied to lead the team to a conference title.
QB1 was Sam Bradford.
QB2 was Todd Boeckman (the freshman was Terrelle Pryor).
The safe option who excels at throwing slants and bubble screens while not getting intercepted isn't always the way to go. Teams like Alabama and Florida will stack the box with 8-9 guys and we won't be able to run on that against those two defenses. There HAS to be a threat of a vertical passing game.
QB2: As a senior, there was a super talented and ultra hyped freshman waiting behind him. The senior had a so so season before and was the safer choice. This player went 57/93, 620 yards, 5 TD and 2 INT before the coach decided the offense needed more explosion and replaced him with the freshman, who rallied to lead the team to a conference title.
QB1 was Sam Bradford.
QB2 was Todd Boeckman (the freshman was Terrelle Pryor).
The safe option who excels at throwing slants and bubble screens while not getting intercepted isn't always the way to go. Teams like Alabama and Florida will stack the box with 8-9 guys and we won't be able to run on that against those two defenses. There HAS to be a threat of a vertical passing game.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:19 pm to VADawg
I got news for you VA that you might not want to hear...there's not a sam bradford or terrelle pryor on our roster. It looks pretty simply when you spell it out like you did, but we simply don't have that. We have 2 Hutson Masons who are underclassmen instead of 5th year seniors.
Next year we'll have our stud QB, but this year we're in trouble and there's really no way around it.
Next year we'll have our stud QB, but this year we're in trouble and there's really no way around it.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:33 pm to WG_Dawg
There's definitely not a Bradford or Pryor on this roster, but there is definitely a Todd Boeckman. OSU got to the 2007 title game in spite of Boeckman because they had a ridiculously easy schedule. The schedule toughened up a bit in 2008 and they suffered because Boeckman was a caretaker and not a playmaker.
My point is we can win 8 games with any of the three QBs on the roster. It'll take either elite QB play or elite defense to beat Alabama. I'm not counting on the elite defense coming through, especially against the run. Whoever plays QB in that game will have to hit vertical passes to open up the running game. Same with Florida, although their offense may be so bad that an average defensive performance would get the job done.
My point is we can win 8 games with any of the three QBs on the roster. It'll take either elite QB play or elite defense to beat Alabama. I'm not counting on the elite defense coming through, especially against the run. Whoever plays QB in that game will have to hit vertical passes to open up the running game. Same with Florida, although their offense may be so bad that an average defensive performance would get the job done.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:58 pm to VADawg
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There's definitely not a Bradford or Pryor on this roster
But there's Mason's backup
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:05 pm to Buddy2012
The tell that FB ran the ULM offense today , is not good sign imo. But he sure sounded like a leader from the PC.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:11 pm to WG_Dawg
Pretty sure Eason will redshirt. He's talked with media about it.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:12 pm to athenslife101
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Pretty sure Eason will redshirt.
I don't anticipate that happening.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:27 pm to 3rddownonthe8
This reply isn't to anyone in particular, alot of you make some decent points against Bauta. I'd like to address them.
1- It has been said Bauta's downfield throws aren't strong enough, and it's important to have a strong long ball so the safeties don't cheat up into "the box". This is bullshite. If you think an opposing defensive coordinator is going to put 9 guys into run protection while we get 5 eligible receivers running downfield into two defenders, and Bauta won't be able to complete a pass, you are ignorant.
2: It has been said Bauta is really good at the short and midrange throws, like that's a bad thing. Think about the alternative... you have a cowboy like Ramsey throwing NFL style bullets over the middle to a crossing tight end, like a video game, but in reality, we don't have NFL video game receivers and tight ends. In reality, those bullets bounce right off our receiver's hands.
3: It has been said that Bauta clearly doesn't have the talent, or he'd be named a starter by now, based on his work ethic, leadership, and knowledge of the game. This is a fair point. However, this point doesn't exclude him from being the starter. If anything, it guarantees he's the starter. Apparently Ramsey's arm hasn't overcome his other shortcomings. Apparently Lambert's experience hasn't overcome his shortcomings. Why will Bauta's presumed shortcomings exclude him from being the starter?
Summary- Bauta is a Div-1 Scholarship Quarterback, not some guy that Bobo found on the beach throwing the ball around on Spring Break. He can throw a 50 yard pass. He wouldn't be in the mix if he couldn't.
1- It has been said Bauta's downfield throws aren't strong enough, and it's important to have a strong long ball so the safeties don't cheat up into "the box". This is bullshite. If you think an opposing defensive coordinator is going to put 9 guys into run protection while we get 5 eligible receivers running downfield into two defenders, and Bauta won't be able to complete a pass, you are ignorant.
2: It has been said Bauta is really good at the short and midrange throws, like that's a bad thing. Think about the alternative... you have a cowboy like Ramsey throwing NFL style bullets over the middle to a crossing tight end, like a video game, but in reality, we don't have NFL video game receivers and tight ends. In reality, those bullets bounce right off our receiver's hands.
3: It has been said that Bauta clearly doesn't have the talent, or he'd be named a starter by now, based on his work ethic, leadership, and knowledge of the game. This is a fair point. However, this point doesn't exclude him from being the starter. If anything, it guarantees he's the starter. Apparently Ramsey's arm hasn't overcome his other shortcomings. Apparently Lambert's experience hasn't overcome his shortcomings. Why will Bauta's presumed shortcomings exclude him from being the starter?
Summary- Bauta is a Div-1 Scholarship Quarterback, not some guy that Bobo found on the beach throwing the ball around on Spring Break. He can throw a 50 yard pass. He wouldn't be in the mix if he couldn't.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:18 pm to deeprig9
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He wouldn't be in the mix if he couldn't.
He seems to be in the WarHawk mix now days in practice
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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We have 2 Hutson Masons who are underclassmen instead of 5th year seniors. Next year we'll have our stud QB, but this year we're in trouble and there's really no way around it.
You sound so absolutely certain of these facts that I can only assume you've watched all of our practices since the end of last year. And, that you're a professional who's qualified to make this call based on practice alone. But really, I'm doubtful about all that. The other possibility is that you are like everyone else, guessing on very limited information. Or you're angry about who knows what and projecting.
I've followed the qb race closely too and I feel better about our passing game than last year. With an improved defense and a lot of other offensive talent, I don't see any reason to be hanging crepe.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 8/27/15 at 11:03 pm to WG_Dawg
If we need Eason, so be it. We have to be in big trouble for that IMHO. When Eason comes in, he will have 2 seniors and 1 junior in front of him, one of which will have had a years experience under his belt and all will have had multiple years of experience under schottys system. Eason is talented but that means jack shite until you're in camp competing. I also don't like the idea of starting a true freshmen but am a huge proponent of starting a redshirt freshmen for 4 years.
People always use the argument that "he will be gone in 3 years no matter what. For other positions, that's debatable. Less so for a QB. They may only be there for 3 years but in some systems like Georgia, they have to u see stand the system so well to succeed, a true freshman is a liability.
People always use the argument that "he will be gone in 3 years no matter what. For other positions, that's debatable. Less so for a QB. They may only be there for 3 years but in some systems like Georgia, they have to u see stand the system so well to succeed, a true freshman is a liability.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 11:24 pm to athenslife101
When Eason comes in the other QBs will have had one year under the new system, not multiple years. Eason will get live snaps in 2016 and will be starting before the season is over.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:18 am to Whiznot
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Eason will get live snaps in 2016 and will be starting before the season is over.
Agree with this. I really wouldn't be all that surprised to see him start the opener next year if the QB play isn't great this year.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:51 am to deeprig9
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you have a cowboy like Ramsey throwing NFL style bullets over the middle to a crossing tight end, like a video game, but in reality, we don't have NFL video game receivers and tight ends. In reality, those bullets bounce right off our receiver's hands.
I remember thinking, "If Stafford throws another bullet to Mike Moore that bounces off his fricking facemask I'm going to punch someone in the face." A lot.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:52 am to wdhalgren
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You sound so absolutely certain of these facts
That's WG's MO. He's a confident dude.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:33 am to Broncothor
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However, I did watch Dan Mario
Who? This one of the Mario brothers?
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:35 am to WG_Dawg
but...but...I thought he was Tebow with an arm...
Bauta/Tebow?
Honestly though, there's no real analysis in that article just rumor and hear say.
Bauta/Tebow?
Honestly though, there's no real analysis in that article just rumor and hear say.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 5:11 pm to SneakyWaff1es
After reviewing the thread with sober mind, and time for reflection, I think we can safely say that I win and Bauta will be the starter.
Downvote this post if you agree.
Downvote this post if you agree.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 5:59 pm to deeprig9
I would be shocked if this was the case. I don't see it happening now. I entertained it as an idea, but in reality, it ain't happening.
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