Started By
Message
There's been a ton of talk the last year about the '13 class....what about '14?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:40 am
It was known but not heavily talked about when CMR was still here, but after Kirby took over people were quick (and vocal, rightfully so) to point out the absolute DISASTER that is the 2013 signing class. That should be our senior class in Kirby's first year and it's basically non-existent. However I don't really ever hear anyone talk about the other elephant in the room...the following year's class. I know we all want/expect us to improve simply by getting Kirby's guys in here (which I agree with), but um....we're gonna have the same lack of senior leadership next year too it looks like. Here's the '14 class which should be the seniors on the '17 team:
Lorenzo Carter- Ok but underachieving, likely not here in 17
Sony Michel- Very good, likely not here in 17
Nick Chubb- Obviously. Probably not here in 17
Malkom Parrish- Solid, can be counted on in 17
Isaiah Wynn- Solid contributor, definite starter
Jacob Park- Transferred
Jeb Blazevich- Showed flashes but likely won't be a contributor/factor in 17
Lamont Galliard- Lost in the shuffle, could potentially play some OG next year
Keyon Brown- Non factor
Dyshon Sims- Backup guard. Will play some.
Kendall Baker- Non factor to this point. Who knows for next year
Shakenneth Williams- Non factor
Isaiah McKenzie- Solid, will be counted on.
Shattle Fenteng- Non factor
Detric Bing-Dukes- Transferred
Jake Edwards- Transferred
Dominick Sanders- Solid, counted on heavily
Hunter Atkinson- Transferred
Shaquille Jones- Transferred
Gilbert Johnson- Never Enrolled
It was already a small class anyway with only 20 guys. Of those 20, only about half will even be on the team next year, and of those only about 5 will be major contributors.
That's 2 consecutive senior classes that have essentially been worthless. Yall can say what you want about kirby being unprepared or unfocused, but good holy hell there's only so much you can do with our roster. I just pray that our administration and team gives him the time he needs to actually start making headway.
Lorenzo Carter- Ok but underachieving, likely not here in 17
Sony Michel- Very good, likely not here in 17
Nick Chubb- Obviously. Probably not here in 17
Malkom Parrish- Solid, can be counted on in 17
Isaiah Wynn- Solid contributor, definite starter
Jacob Park- Transferred
Jeb Blazevich- Showed flashes but likely won't be a contributor/factor in 17
Lamont Galliard- Lost in the shuffle, could potentially play some OG next year
Keyon Brown- Non factor
Dyshon Sims- Backup guard. Will play some.
Kendall Baker- Non factor to this point. Who knows for next year
Shakenneth Williams- Non factor
Isaiah McKenzie- Solid, will be counted on.
Shattle Fenteng- Non factor
Detric Bing-Dukes- Transferred
Jake Edwards- Transferred
Dominick Sanders- Solid, counted on heavily
Hunter Atkinson- Transferred
Shaquille Jones- Transferred
Gilbert Johnson- Never Enrolled
It was already a small class anyway with only 20 guys. Of those 20, only about half will even be on the team next year, and of those only about 5 will be major contributors.
That's 2 consecutive senior classes that have essentially been worthless. Yall can say what you want about kirby being unprepared or unfocused, but good holy hell there's only so much you can do with our roster. I just pray that our administration and team gives him the time he needs to actually start making headway.
9
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:46 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
I know we all want/expect us to improve
Yup. And this thread changes that zero.
Getting an early start on the old bet-hedging? We should be significantly better next year because most of our key contributors are So/Fr
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:48 am to WG_Dawg
Yep, and recruiting class rankings in our case (ongoing extreme attrition/misses) don't matter as much as the quality of the players who actually contribute on the field. It seems like even when we get star players like A.J. Green, Gurley and Chubb, they have limited playing time for various reasons, suspension, injuries, etc.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:49 am to BranchDawg
quote:
Yup. And this thread changes that zero.
uh, ok
quote:
Getting an early start on the old bet-hedging?
the hell are you talking about? I"m pointing out black and white facts about how depleted our senior class will be for next season. Do you disagree with that?
quote:
We should be significantly better next year because most of our key contributors are So/Fr
I expect us to be better as well. That doesnt' chagne the fact that of the guys who are supposed to be seniors next year we'll have abotu 4 or 5 who actually contribute anything of note. Do you agree that's kind of an issue?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:50 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
Lorenzo Carter- Ok but underachieving, likely not here in 17
I kind of expect him to come back. He has shown some improvement lately getting to the QB and putting pressure on the QB. I'm not sure if it is due to the coaching staff learning how best to use him or he is thinking he needs to put it in high gear for a possible early exit.
quote:
Lamont Galliard- Lost in the shuffle, could potentially play some OG next year
I also expect him to be big contributor next year. he should be gaining confidence and have a big leap next season. He should be learning the ropes and with Pittman's help, hopefully should make a big leap.
quote:
Dyshon Sims- Backup guard. Will play some.
Kendall Baker- Non factor to this point. Who knows for next year
Again, I think we see decent gains next season from both of these guys.
Your point is well taken, though. Hopefully all the freshmen playing this year can continue to grow and we can see some depth filling in behind them in the 2017 class.
It's hard to pinpoint a class these days, though, because if they are the better players, they always leave anyway. We never expected Michel or Chubb to be here next year, and we are all torn on whether Lorenzo carter will be here, while most of us did not expect him to be here next year when we signed him.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
There sure are a lot of twats coming out of the woodwork as of late. 
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:53 am to WG_Dawg
I think Carter will stay barring some huge finish where he gets like 8 sacks the rest of the way.
Gaillard is the starting RG right now and the likely starting C next year. Sims will also at least contribute.
Not good overall though for sure.
Gaillard is the starting RG right now and the likely starting C next year. Sims will also at least contribute.
Not good overall though for sure.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:55 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
Lost in the shuffle, could potentially play some OG next year
what?
He's a starting guard.
quote:
Kendall Baker- Non factor to this point. Who knows for next year
Back-up tackle
quote:
Jeb Blazevich- Showed flashes but likely won't be a contributor/factor in 17
?? our best blocking TE and a senior leader...thats not a factor?
quote:
Lorenzo Carter- Ok but underachieving, likely not here in 17 Sony Michel- Very good, likely not here in 17 Nick Chubb- Obviously. Probably not here in 17
Cant do anything about good players leaving early. Every school deals with this.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:56 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
That doesnt' chagne the fact that of the guys who are supposed to be seniors next year we'll have abotu 4 or 5 who actually contribute anything of note. Do you agree that's kind of an issue?
1. You pointed out that several of those guys won't be contributors because they'll be playing Sundays. Are you punishing the recruiting for having great players that are good enough to leave early?
2. There are another couple guys (like Gaillard, Blazevich), who have shown capability to be good or very good contributors who, in most cases, simply won't be key contributors because of how good the Fr/So coming in behind them have been.
3. If the Juniors, Sophomores and Freshmen are all studs, then no, I don't think it's a huge problem at all. We'll have a lot more returning talent than several other big name SEC teams.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:59 am to K9
quote:
what?
He's a starting guard.
Lost in the shuffle in that he started as a DT and didn't do anythign and got moved positions. And he is currently our starting guard, but who knows for next year. I have to imagine netori is either going to start or at least play pretty darn early, and pittman loves kindley's size. Throw cleveland in the mix and we have a logjam at guard...I'm grateful to have LG because he's been huge this year but he isn't automatically going to start next year, IMO.
quote:
?? our best blocking TE and a senior leader...thats not a factor?
Ok he's a "senior leader" which is sorely needed. But it's quite clear to anyoen watching games that the TE position is Nauta's the next 2 years.
quote:
Cant do anything about good players leaving early. Every school deals with this.
Very true, and my point wasn't necessarily that the '14 class overall sucks, we've got some studs on there. My point was specifically about them and the 2017 season when they shoudl be seniors. There are some extremely good players in that class that won't be here next year due to their good play.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:20 am to DawgCountry
(no message)
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:23 am to WG_Dawg
It really wouldn't surprise me if Lamont gets passed over next year for guys that better fit what Pittman wants to do. It'll be the second year for guys like Kindley, Cleveland, Madden's 3rd year, and Netori is an absolute freak who may push his way onto the field early.
quote:I love Jeb and he does seem to be one of the few leaders on this team, but it's pretty clear at this point that Nauta and maybe Woerner will be above him on the depth chart next year.
But it's quite clear to anyoen watching games that the TE position is Nauta's the next 2 years.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:27 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
I expect us to be better as well. That doesnt' chagne the fact that of the guys who are supposed to be seniors next year we'll have abotu 4 or 5 who actually contribute anything of note. Do you agree that's kind of an issue?
In the past it would be a big issue. but, as a whole, TYPICALLY the best players are also the leaders on the team, either vocally or by example. In this day and time when the best players leave early I think it is less of an issue. It's almost become as important (If not moreso) for the Junior class to be the leaders as the senior class. This could possibly explain some of the struggles we are having this year more than next.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:33 am to WG_Dawg
I pointed this out in the previous 10 page thread about the 2013 class.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:17 pm to BranchDawg
quote:
Yup. And this thread changes that zero.
Getting an early start on the old bet-hedging? We should be significantly better next year because most of our key contributors are So/Fr
Um, whut? We are basically where UT was two seasons ago. If we make a bowl, we should be happy. We'll have more growing pains in '17, and maybe the first part of '18. I look for season-long improvement in '19. If we're not a finalist for the East by then, you Richters can start your "I told you so's".
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:41 pm to Cobb Dawg
So now the yardstick is moved to '19? You guys are freakin amazing
And then we'll only compete for the East?
We're not CLOSE to the UT of '14 and now our '14 class is a wash?
How many 4 and 5 star kids did UT have in 14 compared to our 16 roster?
Bet its not close.
And then we'll only compete for the East?
We're not CLOSE to the UT of '14 and now our '14 class is a wash?
How many 4 and 5 star kids did UT have in 14 compared to our 16 roster?
Bet its not close.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:44 pm to Cobb Dawg
quote:
We are basically where UT was two seasons ago. If we make a bowl, we should be happy. We'll have more growing pains in '17, and maybe the first part of '18.
That's overstating it. We should be a lot better next year
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:44 pm to Cobb Dawg
quote:
I look for season-long improvement in '19.
And there it is. The bet is hedged. Kirby can fling his own feces and pick his nose on the sidelines for the next three seasons because it doesn't matter. He bears no responsibility for anything that happens.
Tennessee of two years ago? This is the mindset of 2010 Tennessee that was in the middle of spending a decade in the SEC cellar. And if your goal is to maybe win 10 games 4 years from now, then gtfo. This is a "get over the hump" hire, not a rebuilding hire.
We should win 9 games MINUMUM next year and be competing for an SEC title and possible playoff spot in 18. We have the upcoming talent and recruiting classes for it.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:46 pm to Cobb Dawg
We went from 6-7 in 2010 to 12-2 in 2012.
Bama won a mnc in year three of Saban.
But you're saying it's going to takeway longer than for Kirby?
Why?
Bama won a mnc in year three of Saban.
But you're saying it's going to takeway longer than for Kirby?
Why?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:50 pm to Cobb Dawg
'19 is too long imo, in '18 Eason will be a very experienced Junior with a much better supporting cast around him than he does now. Combine that with the fact that most of our guys in the trenches on both sides will be experienced Juniors mixed with some Sophomores and I think it should pretty much be expected of us to at least win the East.
Page 1 of 5
Latest Georgia News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News