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re: There's been a ton of talk the last year about the '13 class....what about '14?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:28 pm to K9
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:28 pm to K9
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We went from 6-7 in 2010 to 12-2 in 2012.
Off the top of my head, We returned a go to WR, added a good fresh WR, a NFL LT and center, and added Jarvis Jones while Bobo finally started to figure it out.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:53 pm to djsdawg
When 1/3 of you Senior and Junior classes transfer or get kicked off the team, it will spell problems. That being said, we return a lot of starters and contributors next year and there is not a single reason why we should not compete for the conference. Tennessee will take a huge step back with all that they will lose to draft/graduation, South Carolina is still 2-3 years from being a contender, Mizzou is a dumpster fire, Vandy and UK are still Vandy and UK. Florida is really the only team in the East that should be able to hang in there with us from a talent + experience level. Any coach deserves a minimum of 3 years to establish "his" program, but there won't be many excuses for us not being in the conference title hunt late in the season in 2017. our '15 and '16 classes have performed pretty well so far, and if we can supplement them with top-end talent from our '17 class, then we should be a formidable team.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:12 pm to crispyUGA
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we return a lot of starters and contributors next year and there is not a single reason why we should not compete for the conference.
Agree, or at least the east anyway.
Btw my whole point wasn't that we need to give kirby 8 more years before things turn around (that's cobb), it was just pointing out exactly like you said that when you have 2 years in a row of what's supposed to be a senior class actually be like 6 or 7 real contributors that's a problem. But yeah when you just look at our returning roster we should be much improved over this season.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:19 pm to WG_Dawg
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my whole point wasn't that we need to give kirby 8 more years before things turn around (that's cobb), it was just pointing out exactly like you said that when you have 2 years in a row of what's supposed to be a senior class actually be like 6 or 7 real contributors that's a problem. But yeah when you just look at our returning roster we should be much improved over this season.
This I'm generally ok with, albeit I would argue that it's less of a problem in today's CFB, especially if your underclass men are really good (which ours are). My problem with these threads is that it instills an attitude that we should lower our expectations for years to come.
Your point feeds attitudes like Cobb's, which is a poisonous one for a major program.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:23 pm to crispyUGA
If we compete for the East next year nobody should have a problem with our progress. Nobody should expect perfection, though. Kirby will still be learning on the job.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:32 pm to DawgsLife
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Nobody should expect perfection, though. Kirby will still be learning on the job.
I agree, but if we're not in the hunt late in the season with a division that will likely be even weaker next year, then I think some serious questions will need to be answered in year 3.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:01 pm to RD Dawg
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So now the yardstick is moved to '19? You guys are freakin amazing
And then we'll only compete for the East?
We're not CLOSE to the UT of '14 and now our '14 class is a wash?
How many 4 and 5 star kids did UT have in 14 compared to our 16 roster?
Bet its not close.
You need to read slowly and take a deep breath. Do you think our offensive and defensive lines will be vastly improved in '17? Wide receiver? Tailback? Those are all question marks. I said "maybe the first part of '18". You think we'll be a shoe-in for the East next season? We will be competitive, but I don't think we'll dominate the division and be a sure bet to win it.
Gird your loins, Jr. It's a process.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:06 pm to Cobb Dawg
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You think we'll be a shoe-in for the East next season?
I mean, not a shoe-in, but certainly a game away at least.
Tennessee loses a TON, S. Carolina, Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky will blow. That leaves us and Florida.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:09 pm to BranchDawg
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This is a "get over the hump" hire, not a rebuilding hire.
Just like the last one was.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:10 pm to FaCubeItches
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Just like the last one was.
Yeah, and we won the SEC in year 2.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:13 pm to Cobb Dawg
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Gird your loins, Jr. It's a process.
I agree.
I think the two measuring sticks are McElwain winning the East in his first year, and Saban winning the west in year two at Bama. It's easy to point and say Kirby isn't getting it done if he doesn't have the same success in year two, but I don't think it is fair.
I think Kirby will be doing a good job if:
2017 is better than 2016
2018 is better than 2017
Whether or not he wins anything, if improvement continues year after year, I think he's doing a good job.
On a more granular level, this incoming class will be Kirby's first. He pretty much inherited most of the last signing class, rated around a 9 by the services (middle of the pack among SEC).
This incoming class that is mostly Kirby, his first true class, is currently ranked #2 or thereabouts by most services. It's a long way to signing day, but if this holds true and he can even keep us in the top 5, then we supplement our deficiencies in Richt's previous classes with Bama and Ohio St style freshmen who contribute immediately, we'll be in damn good shape.
Sorry if my post is incoherent, I'm being pestered by a hysterical woman who narrates her thoughts to the world and all are expected to listen, even when said person is clearly typing and involved in something else, as well as a whining toddler who doesn't want to eat. I'm just trying to talk about football over here.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:14 pm to crispyUGA
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but if we're not in the hunt late in the season with a division that will likely be even weaker next year, then I think some serious questions will need to be answered in year 3
Of course, that assumes no major injuries, no off-field idiocy, etc. *Ideally* we should be in a much improved spot next year, but there's no way to know what will happen.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:25 pm to BranchDawg
Well shite, why wasn't he given a lifetime contract then? Oh yeah, because the high water mark came quickly, followed by a long slide while the rest of the conference rolled off title after title (i.e., we didn't really get over the hump.)
Donnan built us up from Goff, but peaked at a level below our top competetion; early Richt looked to be the guy to really up our game, but in the end, he got passed by a lot of his peers. Now we've got Smart, and we'll see if he can do better.
Donnan built us up from Goff, but peaked at a level below our top competetion; early Richt looked to be the guy to really up our game, but in the end, he got passed by a lot of his peers. Now we've got Smart, and we'll see if he can do better.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:39 pm to FaCubeItches
So if Richt was an awful coach, and Smart is a great coach, then why can't he win out of the box as quickly as Richt?
My point is this: we were told for a decade that Georgia was loaded with ungodly amounts of talent and was underachieving with 10-3 records SOLELY because of Richt's incompetence/complacency/Christianity. We needed to make a change because we were capable of DOMINATING college football if we just had a coach with his head on straight.
I'm fine with that, and I'm ready to buy in. The problem is, now that Kirby has taken the reigns, we've been inundated with people saying this roster can't compete with a headless goose. We've got no good players and we'll have no good players until Kirby gets AT LEAST 4-5 years under his belt. Until then, there's really nothing he can do. Just deal with it.
Horse. Shite.
It's his first year. I can stomach this. But we should be winning at LEAST 9-10 games next year and competing for the SEC crown and possible playoff spot by '18. Otherwise, this hire is NOT what is was advertised to be.
Many of you have become the very thing you hated. Search your feelings and you'll know it to be true.
Now, with all that said, let's go whip some Gator arse!!
My point is this: we were told for a decade that Georgia was loaded with ungodly amounts of talent and was underachieving with 10-3 records SOLELY because of Richt's incompetence/complacency/Christianity. We needed to make a change because we were capable of DOMINATING college football if we just had a coach with his head on straight.
I'm fine with that, and I'm ready to buy in. The problem is, now that Kirby has taken the reigns, we've been inundated with people saying this roster can't compete with a headless goose. We've got no good players and we'll have no good players until Kirby gets AT LEAST 4-5 years under his belt. Until then, there's really nothing he can do. Just deal with it.
Horse. Shite.
It's his first year. I can stomach this. But we should be winning at LEAST 9-10 games next year and competing for the SEC crown and possible playoff spot by '18. Otherwise, this hire is NOT what is was advertised to be.
Many of you have become the very thing you hated. Search your feelings and you'll know it to be true.
Now, with all that said, let's go whip some Gator arse!!
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:57 pm to WG_Dawg
CKS should already know next year's starting roster
Does this make sense?
Does this make sense?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:25 pm to BranchDawg
quote:Holy exaggeration, Batman.
We've got no good players and we'll have no good players until Kirby gets AT LEAST 4-5 years under his belt. Until then, there's really nothing he can do. Just deal with it.
quote:Not exactly true, there were a few rosters that were loaded with talent that should've won more but a lot of complaining revolved around there being a lot of talent in the state of Georgia that we were unable to bring in. Really just Richt's roster management in general made a lot of people want him gone, remember that year when we had a roster of like 70 scholarship players because we undersigned and didn't compensate for attrition? That's major NCAA sanction level bad. Also Richt never really prioritized recruiting top tier linemen, we're in the discussion with more high profile OL this year than I can ever remember.
we were told for a decade that Georgia was loaded with ungodly amounts of talent and was underachieving with 10-3 records SOLELY because of Richt's incompetence/complacency/Christianity.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:39 pm to SumterCoDawg
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remember that year when we had a roster of like 70 scholarship players because we undersigned and didn't compensate for attrition? That's major NCAA sanction level bad. Also Richt never really prioritized recruiting top tier linemen, we're in the discussion with more high profile OL this year than I can ever remember.
Absolute truth, but only 1 piece of the puzzle.
1. You've got to have the players. Kirby seems to be rolling right along with this piece. Time will tell.
2. You've got to coach them out of their high school mentality and into SEC mentality, and physicality, and mental mentality. The freshmen that have played this year, seems like Kirby is doing that pretty well. Time will tell.
3. Your game planning and overall scheming has to be consistent with the roster you have. As Donald Rumsfeld said, when asked by a reporter why all the troops in Iraq didn't have body armor: "You don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you've got."
#3 seems like the one thing I see as a feeble minded moron that isn't being done. But maybe as #1 and #2 progress, then #3 becomes more natural and obvious.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:45 pm to deeprig9
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On a more granular level, this incoming class will be Kirby's first. He pretty much inherited most of the last signing class, rated around a 9 by the services (middle of the pack among SEC).
This incoming class that is mostly Kirby, his first true class, is currently ranked #2 or thereabouts by most services. It's a long way to signing day, but if this holds true and he can even keep us in the top 5, then we supplement our deficiencies in Richt's previous classes with Bama and Ohio St style freshmen who contribute immediately, we'll be in damn good shape.
To follow up on this:
Ole Miss had a top 5 class a few years back, and rode those ponies into the national spot light for a few years... on one top 5 class.
Imagine stacking those classes on top of each other, back to back each year...
Like Bama and Oh St...
Then you can be like Bama and Oh St.
You can play for championships.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:45 pm to deeprig9
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Also Richt never really prioritized recruiting top tier linemen, we're in the discussion with more high profile OL this year than I can ever remember.
The OL game consists of transfers and converting DL too, it's that important
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:02 pm to BranchDawg
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So if Richt was an awful coach, and Smart is a great coach, then why can't he win out of the box as quickly as Richt?
Didn't say that Richt was awful, only that he was brought in to be the "over the hump" guy and wasn't able to do. It remains to be seen if Smart will be the guy or not.
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