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re: The Richt apologists are firmly seated on the wrong side of history

Posted on 10/31/15 at 5:59 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/31/15 at 5:59 pm to
Meh, the money argument isn't an issue for me. We have a lot of money and we will pay any coach a lot of money.

The issue with losing games to top teams is a more valid argument for me. But that doesn't address the "why".

You know why I care so much about specifics? Because if we don't know what, exactly, CMR is doing wrong, how can we know if we're going to upgrade? "Different" doesn't always mean "better".
Posted by wizatlanta
Cumming, GA
Member since Jan 2014
335 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 5:59 pm to
you, my friend, is what is wrong. Accepting mediocrity year after year and happy that we're not Texas or Tennessee.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:02 pm to
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You know why I care so much about specifics? Because if we don't know what, exactly, CMR is doing wrong, how can we know if we're going to upgrade? "Different" doesn't always mean "better".




Well would you think Saban is better? Miles?

Of course you would. Why?--they win.

We know we are going to upgrade by hiring a winner.

You expect so much information you are paralyzed by indecision. A malady that seems common place among the power that be at UGA.
This post was edited on 10/31/15 at 6:06 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:05 pm to
Teams being unprepared is definitely a good argument, but what I don't understand is what he's not doing to prepare his teams, and what a better coach would do differently. I don't follow the day-to-day practices so I don't know what he and his staff are doing (or not doing), but preparedness is a concept made up of actions, and I want to know what actions are being taken or not taken that lead to teams not being prepared so I know that the search for a new coach will lead to someone who will prepare the "right" way.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:08 pm to
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What I'm reading is that people are pissed that our football team is losing and are demanding a change, as if we'll get better if we just replace the head coach.


You can't read worth a shite then.

Georgia should always, no matter what, be better than Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt.

In year 15, Richt should not be getting his shite pushed in by a fricking rookie coach.

There are so, so, so many built in advantages to being the head football coach at Georgia that there are no excuses, ever, to lose 38-10 at home or 27-3 (and counting) on a neutral site. Will a Richt defender please tell me why he should stay without using the word Eason?
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14260 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:11 pm to
Losing to Bama is one thing...but losing to Butch and now a 1st year coach who is rebuilding from a shitty previous year is really an indictment of how he's being overmatched and beaten by teams with less talent.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41734 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:13 pm to
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you, my friend, is what is wrong. Accepting mediocrity year after year and happy that we're not Texas or Tennessee
"Accepting mediocrity"? Really? Because I want the administration to make informed decisions? Amazing...

I'm not against getting a new HC. I'm not "accepting mediocrity" at all. I just don't want to act like a teenage girl with PMS and make stupid decisions because I'm an emotional wreck.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41734 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:14 pm to
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Well would you think Saban is better? Miles?

Of course you would. Why?--they win.

We know we are going to upgrade by hiring a winner.

You expect so much information you are paralyzed by indecision. A malady that seems common place among the power that be at UGA
Point to wins all you like, but your point is that Saban is a better coach than Richt because he wins more games, but games aren't won on paper. What, exactly, does Saban do to win games that Richt is not doing? That's all I've been asking for: specifics.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:15 pm to
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Accepting mediocrity"? Really? Because I want the administration to make informed decisions? Amazing...

I'm not against getting a new HC. I'm not "accepting mediocrity" at all. I just don't want to act like a teenage girl with PMS and make stupid decisions because I'm an emotional wreck


How long do you want us to wait while you figure out how to tell a coach how to do his job???

Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:15 pm to
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I'm not against getting a new HC. I'm not "accepting mediocrity" at all. I just don't want to act like a teenage girl with PMS and make stupid decisions because I'm an emotional wreck.


Then let's hear your solution to what's wrong with the football program. Everyone else is giving opinions and you're saying bullshite like this.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:17 pm to
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If losing Eason or another underperforming class is what it takes to breathe new life into this program..run it


Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:18 pm to
What is broken? Recruiting...we suck hind tit in recruiting to the rest of the conference

What is broken? Coaching the talent you do manage to recruit....getting the most out of them.

What is broken....don't retain shitty assistants because you are too dam risk averse to try to better yourself

What is broken....be prepared....quit believing that big games are just another game...they can be if you win about as many as yo lose...but when you lose them all the big games are bigger than the games against Southern

What is broken? Fan base who has come to accept all of the broken shite

The question ain't what is broken...the question is what ain't broken.......
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41734 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:22 pm to
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Georgia should always, no matter what, be better than Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt.[/quote[Well that's some homer BS if I've ever seen it. Each year is different. Each team is different. You might as well say "we should win the SEC East every year" or "we should win a national championship every year" because... well.. WE'RE GEORGIA!!

It doesn't work that way.

[quote]In year 15, Richt should not be getting his shite pushed in by a fricking rookie coach.
Another dumb statement, IMO, as Florida's coach is no rookie (except at Florida) and it he still inherited a dominant defense and offensive line. Remember that we got killed by Muschamp last year who got canned for being bad.

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There are so, so, so many built in advantages to being the head football coach at Georgia that there are no excuses, ever, to lose 38-10 at home or 27-3 (and counting) on a neutral site. Will a Richt defender please tell me why he should stay without using the word Eason?
This goes back to my previous point that we don't win games just because we're UGA, and no coach will win games here just because you think he "should".

I'm as big of a UGA fan as anyone but I swear that this fanbase is terrible when it comes to what we "deserve". We haven't won a national championship in 35 years yet everyone expects us to win it every year just because we are UGA and we have all these advantages. Other than physical proximity to in-state talent, what advantages do we have that most other SECs don't?
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:23 pm to
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What, exactly, does Saban do to win games that Richt is not doing? That's all I've been asking for: specifics.


I'm not sure what your angle is. Nobody is privy to the specific Xs and Os of Saban or Meyer or what they do to prepare teams. We know they get consistent results on the field and Richt does not, which is how most people base their decisions. Results. Are you trying to imply that there is no link between Sabans strategies and the W's he earns?
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:26 pm to
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Remember that we got killed by Muschamp last year who got canned for being bad.


If you are arguing to keep Richt, you are fricking doing it wrong, bro.

Just a little reminder from your friendly neighborhood HRD.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:27 pm to
I think Jere Morehead wants a winning program as bad as any other Dawg fan so it's going to be interesting how things work out from here forward.

I agree the Michael Adams generation of fans is somewhat lost on expectations.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:30 pm to
Waiting on FooManChoo to tell us how much longer we should wait for him to decide what to tell a new coach on how to do his job.

Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41734 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:31 pm to
Want me to tell him that he just needs to win more games? What a stupid thing to say, as if he is losing games on purpose or that he doesn't realize that winning games is important in football.

What would you like me to tell the coach? Hire better staff? Everyone was lauding Grantham when he was hired. Pruitt and Schotty were praised, as well. Bobo gave us some very explosive offenses in the past few years. I guess we could use some better position coaches? We are getting guys from the NFL, leftovers from Alabama, and seem to still be struggling. Not sure that's CMR's fault, though.

Want me to tell him that he should't care about the player's development as men? Is their development different from other programs? Are they not being taught how to play football? Not sure what to tell CMR in that case.

That's why I was asking for specifics from the outset. You and others want me to freak out and call for his head as if that's the solution to our championship drought. If we just can him and hire someone better, the world will be right again. In reality, if we don't know what he's doing wrong, we won't know what is right and would just be throwing another dart at whatever big name might be interested in the job. If we could identify exactly what's wrong, perhaps we could make a smart hire and get someone who can do those wrong things right.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60526 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:32 pm to
Can someone PS a guillotine blade onto the Arches?
This post was edited on 10/31/15 at 6:33 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 10/31/15 at 6:33 pm to
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Other than physical proximity to in-state talent, what advantages do we have that most other SECs don't?


Lol like this isn't a HUGE advantage that we don't abuse....
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