re: The direction of UGA

We've had two instances of shite luck. 2002 Ohio State winning lucky game after lucky game, and 2007 Andre Woodson overthrowing the game winning TD pass with under :10 left in regulation that would have beaten Tennessee and sent us to the SECCG (easier solution: score more than 12 points at home against a dreadful USCe team). We also got some good fortune in 2012 when South Carolina lost twice and squandered it by giving up something like 800 rushing yards in the SECCG. The breaks haven't necessarily evened out, but we also haven't taken advantage of opportunities.

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The thing is, even tho we finish 6-12 every year in the country in recruiting(which we have since 2010) We've never finished better than 3rd in the SEC... Perennially behind Bama, LSU & UF & behind AU, Miss. & UT once... We finish about where we've recruit in the SEC & Richt with 9 top 10 finishes in 14 years, we end up about where we recruit nationally...

If you think the Richt era isn't the best period in UGA football history other than the '80-'83 period with Herschel & the outlier season with Lastinger at the helm, I don't know what to tell you. You must have an inflated sense of where UGA fits in the hierarchy of CFB. I've watched/attended UGA football games since '65 & have seen some shitty football along with a coupla flashes of brilliance...

I'll agree the talent in Ga. has gotten exponentially better in the last 20 years & we haven't kept up... BUT....

The game has been ramped up for UGA... As I've said several times, CMR is on the clock, the free pass is gone. If he's gonna stay around he has to win big. The tools & recruiting are in place for UGA to become elite over the next 3-4 years. If we don't, I along with most expect CMR to be pursuing his ministry options in Costa Rica...

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Post of the year stuff here Some of you need to read this multiple times until it sinks in. You think we underachieve but we finish anywhere from 3-6 in the SEC most years just like our recruiting classes.

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Lulz, we're not talking about selling appliances we're talking about football programs. If you think that vanderbilt football isnt' an inferior product to alabama football I don't know what to tell you. Of course you can have a dynamic salesman (like james franklin) get some folks to buy in. But vanderbilt will never, ever, ever be on the same plane or remotely close to it as the big boys. That's just the way it is.

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I am not talking about Vandy. I am talking about the University of Georgia's football team. Why cant we be as good as Alabama year in and year out? Because we dont have an IPF and a support staff? Ok fine the support staff is here and the IPF is on the way. What is our next excuse?

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I don't know anyone who thinks richt is blameless and has done his job flawlessly. Of course he's made mistakes and has had some miscues. But there is also aboslutely no reason to think that he can't win a title here.

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Because to win a title you cant have games like USCe in 2012 and UF in 2014. If CMR doesnt learn from his mistakes and get better then head to Costa Rica.

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I am talking about the University of Georgia's football team. Why cant we be as good as Alabama year in and year out? Because we dont have an IPF and a support staff? Ok fine the support staff is here and the IPF is on the way. What is our next excuse?

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The UGA football program is an inferior product to the Alabama football program. There are reasons why they win big over time through multiple coaches. They are built to do so. When that gap is closed, there are no more excuses.

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I am not talking about Vandy. I am talking about the University of Georgia's football team.

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well I was responding to your post that said there are no inferior products. Clearly there are.

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Why cant we be as good as Alabama year in and year out?

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We can be better than we are, sure. I mean it's only been a decade ago that we were better than them, some years much better. But we need to quit worrying about other teams and focus on getting ourselves better.

Also, and it's well known I'm a pretty big homer, sometimes you just have to face reality. Nick saban is the best coach in the SEC by a light year, and will go down as one of the best coaches in NCAA football history. There's nothing embarassing in admitting that alabama is a cut above the rest right now. When you have the best coach in america, and a top 2 recruiting class for 7 straight years....that'll happen. We aren't going to be on alabama's level for a few years, and there's no shame in that. Hopefully we can GET to that level eventually, but to suggest that we'll get even with them and stay there for a while just isn't realistic RIGHT NOW.

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the support staff is here and the IPF is on the way. What is our next excuse?

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what makes you think we'll need excuses? The support staff and IPF could, should, and most likely will make major steps. And this isn't a basketball team where a guy here and there can take you to the final 4. This whole "new mindset and way of doing things" situation is going to take a bit to come to fruition. We are going into this year with no QB and a questionable DL. In 16 we will against have a QB quandry and a practically new OL. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest than in the next couple years, we are going to be in much better shape than we have been in a while. But it's not like we're going to win a title in '15 simply because we have a support staff.

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to win a title you cant have games like USCe in 2012 and UF in 2014

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I've already addressed that that is simply false. We didn't make the NCG in '12 and it had, literally, nothing to do with losing to SC. There are myriad of other teams that have lost games but were fortuante enough to have others ahead of them lose.

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If CMR doesnt learn from his mistakes and get better

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If you can't plainly see that he has learned and is getting better then you simply don't have your eyes open. The richt of '15 compared to the richt of just 5 years ago isn't even the same person.

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Ok fine the support staff is here and the IPF is on the way.

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Because to win a title you cant have games like USCe in 2012 and UF in 2014.

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Maybe these new toys will be just the impetus needed to take care of games like this.

But you need to give these things a chance to take traction. Staff is new and the IPF isn't even built.



2015 is NOT going to be our year, but after that, Richt will definitely be on notice.

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Is it really a surprise that we haven't had the success than meyer and saban have had?

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Because he isnt as good of a coach which you just admitted. My point is when is it going to be enough is enough. I was done with CMR after the Liberty Bowl and again after sitting in the rain in Jax, FL to watch us lose to a guy that I wouldnt let shine my shoes. And I have to listen to our fans give CMR excuse after excuse. He needs to win I have been on this earth 27 years and we have won the conference twice in that time. Its not enough, a lot of that I blame on Dooley and how bad of an AD he was. But for the last decade isnt not Evans or McG's fault its on CMR. I am tired of us giving him crutches. He needs to win. He may be the only good guy left in coaching but win the east this year. I dont expect the SEC or the National title this year. But I expect the East if he cant deliver then he needs to move on.

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Because he isnt as good of a coach which you just admitted. My point is when is it going to be enough is enough. I was done with CMR after the Liberty Bowl and again after sitting in the rain in Jax, FL to watch us lose to a guy that I wouldnt let shine my shoes. And I have to listen to our fans give CMR excuse after excuse. He needs to win I have been on this earth 27 years and we have won the conference twice in that time. Its not enough, a lot of that I blame on Dooley and how bad of an AD he was. But for the last decade isnt not Evans or McG's fault its on CMR. I am tired of us giving him crutches. He needs to win. He may be the only good guy left in coaching but win the east this year. I dont expect the SEC or the National title this year. But I expect the East if he cant deliver then he needs to move on.

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Honest question: what in the program's history makes you think that a coaching change is more likely to help than harm the program? If it's all on the coach and Richt is underachieving, then the University has been historically horrible at hiring coaches.

It's not a secret that Georgia has historically been one of the most underachieving programs of all time. I had heard it for years and laughed it off as opposing fans talking out of their arse as usual. But I thought about it one day and realized they were right. Historically, this program should be significantly better than it is. Right now, this program should be better than it is.

ETA: I think the arrow is trending up for UGA football, but I need to see it before I believe it. I believe past UGA teams would have gone out and laid an egg against Missouri last year after the Gurley suspension. That showed me some sort of change....and then they went and screwed it up with the complete no show in a rivalry game. So I don't know what to make of it.