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re: Poli Board - Get your poop together Atlanta
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:16 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:16 pm to fibonaccisquared
For the first time ever I completely agree with you. It's a horrible decision to get a job when you can get more from the government and do whatever you want with your time. Not the lifestyle I choose but it's a pretty logical decision.
Sometimes I think the government encourages this lifestyle. Look at our education system. You are either going through a college prep program or your getting ready to drop out. They no longer offer a tech prep program and we all know not everybody fits into the same box.
Sometimes I think the government encourages this lifestyle. Look at our education system. You are either going through a college prep program or your getting ready to drop out. They no longer offer a tech prep program and we all know not everybody fits into the same box.
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:37 pm to DoubleDawg22
A dear friend of mine works for Goodwill, job coaching program. In Georgia, certain benefits mean you have to take these job coaching and job search classes that Goodwill offers. That's what she does.
She is very liberal, loves Obama, etc.
She, herself, will tell you that she has a 0% success rate for getting jobs for these people because the benefits of not working far exceed the pay you receive from a low-wage job.
The only people she can ever get back to work are disabled people who actually want to work out of a sense of pride.
She is very liberal, loves Obama, etc.
She, herself, will tell you that she has a 0% success rate for getting jobs for these people because the benefits of not working far exceed the pay you receive from a low-wage job.
The only people she can ever get back to work are disabled people who actually want to work out of a sense of pride.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:38 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Sometimes I think the government encourages this lifestyle
Yes, its called the Dems buying votes. Gotta keep em on the plantation
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:53 pm to DawgCountry
And yet, something tells me you're strongly opposed to a minimum wage increase. You can't have it both ways, bud. Require employers pay a living wage to employees or deal with the status quo where it makes sense to not work if your only option is minimum wage at a fast food restaurant.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:57 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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And yet, something tells me you're strongly opposed to a minimum wage increase. You can't have it both ways, bud. Require employers pay a living wage to employees or deal with the status quo where it makes sense to not work if your only option is minimum wage at a fast food restaurant.
Or cut down on immigrant labor which suppresses wages, primarily for blue collar low-skilled (but high demand) work.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 1:06 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Minimum wage jobs arent careers, bub
Posted on 4/14/17 at 1:09 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You can't have it both ways, bud. Require employers pay a living wage to employees or deal with the status quo where it makes sense to not work if your only option is minimum wage at a fast food restaurant.
You can't have it both ways either. Minimum wage causes an increase in the labor supply, so now you have more workers who are unemployed.
The economy is a giant equation. Can't tweak something on one side without also having adjustments on the other side.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 1:19 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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And yet, something tells me you're strongly opposed to a minimum wage increase. You can't have it both ways, bud. Require employers pay a living wage to employees or deal with the status quo where it makes sense to not work if your only option is minimum wage at a fast food restaurant.
I'm honestly against a hard minimum wage increase due to ineffective "targeting" of the benefit that it is pointed toward providing, since as it stands nearly half of all those individuals paid at or below the minimum wage are under the age of 25. Only 2.5% of all hourly workers over the age of 25 are making minimum wage or lower... That percentage nearly doubles for 24 and younger while the raw number is pretty similar (50/50ish split there).
Unfortunately, what might make a lot of sense (but would be incredibly difficult to manage/enforce) might be setting an "expiration" on minimum wage (say 6 months-year depending on the job classification maybe?) at which point, employers then have to make a decision as to whether a fully ramped employee is worth compensating fairly, or if they want to go through the entire hiring process all over. Perhaps there would be room for tax incentives for employers that actually do train, reward, and retain a significant portion of minimum wage employees (or penalties for those that look to "recycle" consistently for the lowest cost labor possible). More so a spitball idea than something that's fully fleshed out, but I could see something like that having a much greater impact on the actual goal.
ETA: For reference, BLS Stats on minimum wage: LINK
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:08 pm to fibonaccisquared
Minimum wage is just such a bullshite issue all the way around.
"Living wage" means so many different things, where do you live, do you have Kids do you pay for health care, etc.
The dirty little secret... many union contacts are based on minimum wage plus a margin. A guy who gets min wage plus $9, sure as shite wants a pay raise.
That's why the unions and dems keep this bullshite living wage argument fresh at all times.
"Living wage" means so many different things, where do you live, do you have Kids do you pay for health care, etc.
The dirty little secret... many union contacts are based on minimum wage plus a margin. A guy who gets min wage plus $9, sure as shite wants a pay raise.
That's why the unions and dems keep this bullshite living wage argument fresh at all times.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:15 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:That's usually how you know someone is dumb. Too many things to base that on. Most people assume that to mean having a car and smartphone and flatscreen and everything else they want.
living wage
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:22 pm to deeprig9
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The dirty little secret... many union contacts are based on minimum wage plus a margin. A guy who gets min wage plus $9, sure as shite wants a pay raise.
That's why the unions and dems keep this bull shite living wage argument fresh at all times.
Ding ding ding! Another big reason why I'd argue simply boosting the minimum wage is an awful idea. Also, simple supply and demand economics would indicate that you end up screwing the majority of the middle class while not actively improving things substantially for the impoverished by boosting the minimum wage... as prices will rise to not only account for increased labor costs but also increased demand for goods from those who now have more available funds to draw from.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:32 pm to DawgCountry
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Minimum wage jobs arent careers, bub
Love it. You want to criticize those who don't want to work and instead take handouts, but if they take a minimum wage job as an entry point into the marketplace, you have now deemed them as somehow less than someone in a "career role". I thought the argument was always that they were too lazy to take jobs and that they felt many available jobs were beneath them... not that the jobs available weren't "potential careers"... I guess I always mix up my ultra-right party lines. 
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:36 pm to FinleyStreet
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You can't have it both ways either. Minimum wage causes an increase in the labor supply, so now you have more workers who are unemployed.
Not sure you phrased that the way you meant... are you thinking that because minimum wage increases, more people will want to work, or that due to increases in cost of labor, employers would have decreased headcount availability... The former would be increased supply of labor, the latter would be decreased demand for labor. The increased supply isn't "real" though, because those people were there before, and ultimately would be unlikely to displace existing labor as experience would likely hold value over inexperienced labor. The decreased *demand* on the other hand, is definitely a real concern, particularly for small businesses looking to keep overhead manageable.
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The economy is a giant equation. Can't tweak something on one side without also having adjustments on the other side.
Absolutely true.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:57 pm to fibonaccisquared
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but if they take a minimum wage job as an entry point into the marketplace
thanks for making my point.
again, minimum wage jobs are not meant to be career roles and to support families. they are merely entry points into the market place. You are supposed to advance your career throughout your life. not stay in a fry flipping job for 50 years
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oo lazy to take jobs and that they felt many available jobs were beneath them.
still very true. not sure what you are getting at here. The market determines your value, not the individual. If McDs says you are worth 7.75 to flip burgers, then that is the rate. You don't get to demand wages because you feel entitled to more money
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guess I always mix up my ultra-right party lines
not my problem
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:49 pm to fibonaccisquared
What I mean is this: Unemployment goes up as minimum wage increases. The liberals have a hard on for a "living wage" (whatever that means) but doing so potentially puts more people out of work.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:57 pm to FinleyStreet
Exactly. Or get replaced all together by machines
Businesses won't eat the cost of increased wages. Consumers pay the price for this living wage bullshite
Businesses won't eat the cost of increased wages. Consumers pay the price for this living wage bullshite
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:29 pm to FinleyStreet
Patently false.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:37 pm to deeprig9
So do you want them to sit home and collect disability, food stamps, section 8 instead?
Minimum wage is essentially another program of redistrubution; at its core it's very similar to disability, food stamps, section 8 housing, the earned income credit, etc. The major difference is that we, aka the economy, get production out of this particular form of redistribution. While all of these programs provide economic boosts being more consumers with money means more products and services being purchased which means more demand, none of them provide economic production like minimum wage.
There are going to be handouts one way or another in this country. While the far right (FAR, not all conservatives) believes we should let people die outside emergency rooms or starve on the streets if they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps, it's just not an electorally acceptable policy. Knowing there will be handouts of one type or another, wouldn't we prefer to get production in return? I know I would.
Those areas, such as Seattle, who increased minimum wage to $15/hr, have not seen an increase in unemployment or inflation due to the policy. I do agree that $15/hr is an exorbitant wage in many areas around the country so the rule would take some tweaking in order to define "living wage", but the $15 mantra is more of a simplistic example than a true policy proposal.
Minimum wage is essentially another program of redistrubution; at its core it's very similar to disability, food stamps, section 8 housing, the earned income credit, etc. The major difference is that we, aka the economy, get production out of this particular form of redistribution. While all of these programs provide economic boosts being more consumers with money means more products and services being purchased which means more demand, none of them provide economic production like minimum wage.
There are going to be handouts one way or another in this country. While the far right (FAR, not all conservatives) believes we should let people die outside emergency rooms or starve on the streets if they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps, it's just not an electorally acceptable policy. Knowing there will be handouts of one type or another, wouldn't we prefer to get production in return? I know I would.
Those areas, such as Seattle, who increased minimum wage to $15/hr, have not seen an increase in unemployment or inflation due to the policy. I do agree that $15/hr is an exorbitant wage in many areas around the country so the rule would take some tweaking in order to define "living wage", but the $15 mantra is more of a simplistic example than a true policy proposal.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:44 pm to FinleyStreet
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The economy is a giant equation. Can't tweak something on one side without also having adjustments on the other side.
You mean like the unprecedented income gap we now have? Or the stagnant wages for most Americans? Adjusted for inflation, the average income is the same now as it was in like 1969 or something. It's ridiculous, given the tremendous growth in production by workers over that same period.
At some point, we normal people (aka those making less than $1M/yr) need to catch a damn break, especially those at the very bottom. A minimum wage increase would do very little to put a dent in the current inequality problem but at least it'd be a start.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:50 pm to mmmmmbeeer
You're mad at the wrong people.
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