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re: Poli Board - Get your poop together Atlanta
Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:04 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:04 am to fibonaccisquared
US shoulders the cost of most R&D for the rest of the world. The US is also a litigious nation with doctors practicing defense medicine.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:36 pm to deeprig9
And yet there are athletes, cancer patients, and other patients of serious disease who travel the world to receive experimental treatments which are unavailable here in the United States.
R&D is the excuse, not the actual reason for high drug and care costs in the US. Drug exclusivity rights/patents, FDA, unregulated care cost structures, unreliable insurance carriers, etc...the whole system is a complete cluster frick and the easiest solution, Universal Coverage, doesn't stand a chance because of this ridiculous idea that it's "socialist".
R&D is the excuse, not the actual reason for high drug and care costs in the US. Drug exclusivity rights/patents, FDA, unregulated care cost structures, unreliable insurance carriers, etc...the whole system is a complete cluster frick and the easiest solution, Universal Coverage, doesn't stand a chance because of this ridiculous idea that it's "socialist".
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:55 pm to mmmmmbeeer
No one can get a clear solution because no one agrees with the common problem. Universal health care doesn't solve the cost problem. It doesn't make insurance affordable. And it doesn't make it convenient for use.
That's the cluster frick. No one agrees with the problem. How in the hell are we going to find a productive solution?
That's the cluster frick. No one agrees with the problem. How in the hell are we going to find a productive solution?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:44 pm to meansonny
After my morning shite today, I consulted an r2d2 graph to see how many times I'm suppose to wipe my arse. It said 2, but I don't think that was enough.
Can someone please point me towards a graph that can tell me what to do next? Help!
Can someone please point me towards a graph that can tell me what to do next? Help!
Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:49 pm to meansonny
It may not solve all the problems but there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system but also ends up spending less per capita.
I've yet to see a solid stat that says our system is worth the extra money. Compared to these other single-payer countries, our mortality rate is higher, life expectancy lower, and we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.
I've yet to see a solid stat that says our system is worth the extra money. Compared to these other single-payer countries, our mortality rate is higher, life expectancy lower, and we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:58 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.
That's not true. Medical bills CAN be put on your credit report, but they are scored differently than consumer debt. Secondly, they can't put liens on your property. Financial ruin for medical expenses is a myth.
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there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system
Those other countries don't spend a trillion, literally a trillion dollars a year on military. They don't have to. America ensures their safety. Take there wherever you want, but it's a fact.
If we could free up a trillion dollars a year, we could also entertain the idea of "free" healthcare.
Free up a trillion, then lets talk.
Until then, single payer in this country is a pipe dream.
I'm not trying to be a dick, just being practical.
Before you say "raise taxes on the top 1%" let me remind you that you could put a 100% tax rate on the top 1% in this country, and you'd still be running a deficit. The income statement and balance sheet of this country is fricked. It would make Bernie Madoff blush.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 3:35 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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but there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system but also ends up spending less per capita.
They're happy to let their sick and injured die?
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Compared to these other single-payer countries, our mortality rate is higher, life expectancy lower, and we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.
You do realize that a lot of those stats are measured differently, right?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:04 am to FaCubeItches
Mortality rate and life expectancy have different meanings? Really?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:08 am to deeprig9
Medical bankruptcy is definitely a thing and was a big driver behind the formation of the ACA. Bottom line is that a creditor is not going to overlook a $100,000+ debt regardless of how it is "scored" by the credit bureaus.
We spend entirely too much money on defense. What's the stat...something like we spend more than the next 8 countries on defense? As far as the money, I can just as easily point to a ton of different tax breaks and subsidies directing money to the richest in this country. Then, to really shove it in our faces, these same companies and people are sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars and not investing in their businesses or employees.
We spend entirely too much money on defense. What's the stat...something like we spend more than the next 8 countries on defense? As far as the money, I can just as easily point to a ton of different tax breaks and subsidies directing money to the richest in this country. Then, to really shove it in our faces, these same companies and people are sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars and not investing in their businesses or employees.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:47 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Medical bankruptcy is definitely a thing and was a big driver behind the formation of the ACA. Bottom line is that a creditor is not going to overlook a $100,000+ debt regardless of how it is "scored" by the credit bureaus.
Whoever is filing BK for medical expenses got suckered by an attorney.
If they can't put liens on your property, and they can't garnish your wages, then why would you need BK protection?
You don't.
Yeah, they'll call and harass you... but that's about all they can do. No BK protection is needed for overdue medical bills. It's just a fact. I know it doesn't fit into the narrative you are driving. I'm sorry about that.
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I can just as easily point to a ton of different tax breaks and subsidies directing money to the richest in this country.
OK, do it. Name 5.
I'm going to microwave some popcorn. BRB.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:25 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:Infant mortality rate is something used to bash our system all the time and is most definitely interpreted/reported differently based on country.
Mortality rate and life expectancy have different meanings? Really?
Some countries don't do near as much for premature infants as we do here. And some of those countries don't count them into their stats most of the time when they pass away.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:08 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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What's the stat...something like we spend more than the next 8 countries on defense?
I'd prefer to have a substantially stronger military presence than anyone else. I want other countries to fear our military. When push comes to shove, I want the US to be able to do the pushing and shoving.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:14 pm to SthGADawg
and ole boy and the dems got them a moral victory...we used to call outside political influencers in Atlanta carpetbaggers...like I said before...this was invasion...national democrat money pushing a guy in a district he doesn't even live in...to try and make it look like the dems are making headway...or are they?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:38 pm to SthGADawg
but but but he almost won....
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