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re: Poli Board - Get your poop together Atlanta

Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:04 am to
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:04 am to
US shoulders the cost of most R&D for the rest of the world. The US is also a litigious nation with doctors practicing defense medicine.

Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:36 pm to
And yet there are athletes, cancer patients, and other patients of serious disease who travel the world to receive experimental treatments which are unavailable here in the United States.

R&D is the excuse, not the actual reason for high drug and care costs in the US. Drug exclusivity rights/patents, FDA, unregulated care cost structures, unreliable insurance carriers, etc...the whole system is a complete cluster frick and the easiest solution, Universal Coverage, doesn't stand a chance because of this ridiculous idea that it's "socialist".

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25542 posts
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:55 pm to
No one can get a clear solution because no one agrees with the common problem. Universal health care doesn't solve the cost problem. It doesn't make insurance affordable. And it doesn't make it convenient for use.

That's the cluster frick. No one agrees with the problem. How in the hell are we going to find a productive solution?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:44 pm to
After my morning shite today, I consulted an r2d2 graph to see how many times I'm suppose to wipe my arse. It said 2, but I don't think that was enough.

Can someone please point me towards a graph that can tell me what to do next? Help!
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:49 pm to
It may not solve all the problems but there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system but also ends up spending less per capita.

I've yet to see a solid stat that says our system is worth the extra money. Compared to these other single-payer countries, our mortality rate is higher, life expectancy lower, and we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 4/17/17 at 2:58 pm to
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we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.


That's not true. Medical bills CAN be put on your credit report, but they are scored differently than consumer debt. Secondly, they can't put liens on your property. Financial ruin for medical expenses is a myth.


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there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system


Those other countries don't spend a trillion, literally a trillion dollars a year on military. They don't have to. America ensures their safety. Take there wherever you want, but it's a fact.

If we could free up a trillion dollars a year, we could also entertain the idea of "free" healthcare.

Free up a trillion, then lets talk.

Until then, single payer in this country is a pipe dream.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just being practical.

Before you say "raise taxes on the top 1%" let me remind you that you could put a 100% tax rate on the top 1% in this country, and you'd still be running a deficit. The income statement and balance sheet of this country is fricked. It would make Bernie Madoff blush.

Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 4/17/17 at 3:35 pm to
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but there's surely a reason why every industrialized nation in the world, except for us, uses a single-payer system but also ends up spending less per capita.


They're happy to let their sick and injured die?

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Compared to these other single-payer countries, our mortality rate is higher, life expectancy lower, and we have peoples' lives financially ruined if they get diagnosed with a bad disease or get into some sort of bad accident.


You do realize that a lot of those stats are measured differently, right?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
7419 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:04 am to
Mortality rate and life expectancy have different meanings? Really?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
7419 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:08 am to
Medical bankruptcy is definitely a thing and was a big driver behind the formation of the ACA. Bottom line is that a creditor is not going to overlook a $100,000+ debt regardless of how it is "scored" by the credit bureaus.

We spend entirely too much money on defense. What's the stat...something like we spend more than the next 8 countries on defense? As far as the money, I can just as easily point to a ton of different tax breaks and subsidies directing money to the richest in this country. Then, to really shove it in our faces, these same companies and people are sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars and not investing in their businesses or employees.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:47 am to
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Medical bankruptcy is definitely a thing and was a big driver behind the formation of the ACA. Bottom line is that a creditor is not going to overlook a $100,000+ debt regardless of how it is "scored" by the credit bureaus.


Whoever is filing BK for medical expenses got suckered by an attorney.

If they can't put liens on your property, and they can't garnish your wages, then why would you need BK protection?

You don't.

Yeah, they'll call and harass you... but that's about all they can do. No BK protection is needed for overdue medical bills. It's just a fact. I know it doesn't fit into the narrative you are driving. I'm sorry about that.


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I can just as easily point to a ton of different tax breaks and subsidies directing money to the richest in this country.


OK, do it. Name 5.

I'm going to microwave some popcorn. BRB.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:25 pm to
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Mortality rate and life expectancy have different meanings? Really?
Infant mortality rate is something used to bash our system all the time and is most definitely interpreted/reported differently based on country.

Some countries don't do near as much for premature infants as we do here. And some of those countries don't count them into their stats most of the time when they pass away.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44699 posts
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:08 pm to
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What's the stat...something like we spend more than the next 8 countries on defense?


I'd prefer to have a substantially stronger military presence than anyone else. I want other countries to fear our military. When push comes to shove, I want the US to be able to do the pushing and shoving.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:14 pm to
and ole boy and the dems got them a moral victory...we used to call outside political influencers in Atlanta carpetbaggers...like I said before...this was invasion...national democrat money pushing a guy in a district he doesn't even live in...to try and make it look like the dems are making headway...or are they?
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30541 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:38 pm to
but but but he almost won....
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