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Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:04 pm to
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I don't know what to tell you, man. It is talking about these things and then says "if". You can disregard it, change it or infer that it doesn't mean something. I can't make you understand or agree. That is why these type discussions are pointless. I can pick out any number of inconsistencies with some of your beliefs and we can argue ad nauseum. But all of this just doesn't get anybody anywhere.


It actually does get us somewhere. Back in this thread where I was told repeatedly that the Bible is totally clear on the the subject... Yet, The same exact event, as told by another Apostlte that was there, conveys many conflicting aspects to the story.... Thus, the Bible is not clear, you just choose to make it your faith. It is your right to do that... Just don't sit here and bullshite us with the "path is clear" type statements... It's arrogant and not factual.
Posted by Georgiaman228
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:44 pm to
This argument is a matter of semantics and particularly pointless if you ask me. I am not sure what translation you used but there are many other translations that use different terms for that verse. There are also some early manuscripts that do not even have Mark 16:9-20 in them. I think this verse is clear though, not specifically because of how it is worded, but based on the context of the scripture and other basic Hermeneutical principals. I think to hyper focus on handling snakes is an oversight. You may call reading between the lines, an attempt for Christians to try to explain themselves out of things that they don't agree with, but I tend to look at it more holistically. The point of our mission is to reach people (and this is echoed in every corner of scripture) not to be Jesus magicians who can wow people with signs and wonders. That being said I do believe that signs and wonders can, and do, happen today. I will concede that there are what appear to be inconsistencies in scripture and that is where one must have faith that the Bible is "God Breathed". Faith is no doubt a major role in the equation but translation and understanding of the scriptures from Greek and Hebrew to English is highly complicated (take it from me I am in seminary).
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 11:36 am
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:05 pm to
I have no issue with anything you said. I do with the arrogance of "the Bible is clear" statements when it is pared to support ones beliefs ... Yet, if the words are questioned... Then you get huffyness and how dare yous. It is a bullshite double standard.

....and back to the topic. If we are going to allow Chaplins, they should rotate them every year so the Muslims and the Mormons get a shot at soul recruiting as well. Nothing fosters team unity like some creepy older dude telling you that you are going to hell unless you join their team.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:31 am to
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I have no issue with anything you said. I do with the arrogance of "the Bible is clear" statements when it is pared to support ones beliefs ... Yet, if the words are questioned... Then you get huffyness and how dare yous.


I never said, "How dare you" or even hinted at it. It seems as if you have an axe to grind with the Bible and Christians and you are going to play jailhouse lawyer to strain at every word to prove your point. You know...the exact same thing you accuse us of doing?


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...and back to the topic. If we are going to allow Chaplins, they should rotate them every year so the Muslims and the Mormons get a shot at soul recruiting as well. Nothing fosters team unity like some creepy older dude telling you that you are going to hell unless you join their team.


Getting back to this subject....I asked a question several times and you seem to gloss over or ignore it. Is the FCA not a voluntary activity or do the players have to attend? More often than not, Christian athletes are the ones that attend. if enough Muslim players want a Muslim Iman to be around, I'm sure they would allow one to come and speak with them.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:01 am to
I have an axe to grind with 13% Christians. True. Not with the Bible. The Bible is a homogenized recollection of stories... Sometimes from the same event through the eyes of different people. This axe grinding started at UGA and delt with the FCA while trying to find my way as a kid. Being told I was going to hell if I didn't join their team made a big impression on me. Just not the way you would think. Being told by a staff member who was in this capacity pissed me off even more and confused me to be honest.

The FCA is voluntary, but the Chaplin is not. He is part of the staff as well as the FCA. It makes the two interrelated. It is divisive. It is also not appropriate to have let Evangelicals unfettered access to soul recruiting within the fabric of the UGAA.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:26 am to
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The FCA is voluntary, but the Chaplin is not. He is part of the staff as well as the FCA.


I am not familiar with how it works at Georgia, but I thought the article said that he is not paid, receives no tickets...if this is correct, how does this make him part of the staff?

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I have an axe to grind with 13% Christians.


Out of curiosity... you seem to be against Evangelicals that say you must believe in Christ. That He died on the cross for our sins and rose three days later and that you must turn your life over to Christ to be a Christian. What is your impression of how someone becomes a Christian?

Look. I am not trying to ridicule you, or chastise you....I am genuinely curious of your definition of how to become a Christian and how it fits with the Bible.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 8:28 am
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:36 pm to
You don't have to be paid to be part of the staff. Coach Hartman coached kickers for years for free. He was still a coach.

I'm surprised you are still looking for some sort of out here... It is pretty clear cut. More so than Matt and Mark...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 8/26/15 at 5:24 am to
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You don't have to be paid to be part of the staff. Coach Hartman coached kickers for years for free. He was still a coach.


Kickers are a position. Which position is the FCA guy coaching? Look, our team had a chaplain. A guy that came in and prayed before a game....but nobody, not one player or coach considered him part of the staff.


And again....is it not voluntary? Talk about looking for an out. Are the players required to go to the meetings, or even listen to him? Can they walk away if they have strong or even malevolent feelings about it?

You seem to be avoiding this question.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 8:56 am to
Kevin “Chappy” Hynes (FCA)

Kevin Hynes serves with the Fellowship of Christian Athletes as a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Players, coaches, staff, and friends refer to Kevin as Chappy. He and his wife Mikki, have a son Elijah and a daughter Noelle. He is an ordained minister and a graduate of the Florida Baptist Theological College. Chappy serves Christ as Chaplain on the campus of the University of Georgia for the Bulldog Football Team. Chappy serves his community as a Reserve Deputy Sheriff where he also serves as Chaplain to the Oconee Co Sheriffs Office. Chappy served his country in the United States Marine Corps and currently serves as Chaplain to the Marine Corps League Det #1083 Athens Ga. Chappy serves as Chaplain to the Saints and Staff at High Shoals Health and Rehabilitation Center in Bishop. Chappy’s passion is to see people humbly come to GOD through an authentic and personal relationship with JESUS CHRIST in hopes that they will grow and use their influence to impact others for the Kingdom!
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 8:59 am to
In the fall of 1998, BCF welcomed Hynes as a full time theology student. Kevin and Mikki began a family in 2000, so Hynes left school and went back into Law Enforcement as a Police Officer in Havana, Fla. In January 2001, Mark Richt was named Head Football Coach at the University of Georgia and asked Hynes to join his staff as the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) Chaplain to the team.
Hynes is referred by the coaches, players and fans as "Chappy." His nickname is a result of a conversation he had with one of the players. As he described it, "My first week on campus, a player called me coach. I let him know pretty quickly that I'm not a coach; I'm the chaplain. I told him that I'm not here to tell you about football, I'm here to tell you about Jesus! Well, the player said, I'll just call you Chappy." The rest is history.
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University of Georgia Chaplain, Kevin "Chappy" Hynes, returns to The Baptist College of Florida in Graceville to complete his degree.
As FCA Chaplain, Chappy organizes and holds Friday night devotions, pre-game chapel services, post-game prayers, weekly Bible studies, one-on-one discipleships, and much more. Hynes visibly loves this ministry, summing it up in the following statement, "I'm here to love and serve staff, players and coaches." He then explained how he communicates love using the acronym LOVE, "L = Listen. I listen to them when they talk. O = Offer. I offer Biblical teaching with a Christian Worldview. V = Value. I value each one of them, not just as players or coaches, but as people. E = Encourage. I encourage those who don't know Christ to repent of their sin, turn and follow Christ. Those who profess Christ, I encourage them to be discipled and to get involved in the local church."
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:03 am to
Last Wednesday, May 16, my son, Thomas, and I had the pleasure of spending the afternoon with Kevin "Chappy" Hynes and his son, Elijah.

Chappy is the ordained minister who serves as the chaplain for the University of Georgia football team. He is married to Mark Richt's sister, Mikki, and he arrived in Athens with Coach Richt in 2001.

I first became aware of Chappy's work through his report to the A.F.C.A. in January. From his office at the corner of Milledge Avenue and Springdale Street, he and the rest of the staff of Team United coordinate the unified efforts of Athletes in Action, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and Georgia Athletes Outreach, which now work together to further the spiritual growth of student-athletes who have responded voluntarily to the invitation to make the Lord a part of their lives.

I contacted Chappy earlier this year and asked if I could interview him about the work that he is doing to spread the Good News of the Gospel. As a certified lay speaker in the United Methodist Church and a great admirer of Coach Richt for his Christian faith, I wanted to do what I could to publicize Chappy's service. He was receptive to my request, but, instead of replying to written interview questions, he preferred to meet face to face.

When we were attempting to work out a time for us to sit down together, Chappy asked me during a telephone conversation whether I was married and had children. I told him I was married and had a four-year-old son. He replied that he had a son who was six years old and suggested that I bring Thomas over to Athens for a tour of the football facilities, during which our sons could play together and we could talk.

Naturally, I leapt at the opportunity. Chappy was a gracious host, guiding us through the lower floors of Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall and showing Thomas and me the coaches' offices, the team meeting room, the locker room, the weight room, and the practice field. We were unable to meet Coach Richt because he was out of town on the 2007 Dawg Days Tour at the time, but we got to go into Coach Richt's office and we met tight ends coach David Johnson and strength and conditioning coach Dave Van Halanger.

I was spending the day in my favorite place (Athens) with my favorite person (Thomas), so I was in no hurry, which was a good thing, because Chappy knows everybody and he takes the time to speak to everyone. No matter who crossed his path, Chappy had a moment for everyone from coaches to complete strangers.

He was equally outgoing and forthright in offering his testimony when we sat down together, so much so that my questions served mostly as mere prompts that got him talking about his faith and the works to which his faith has led him, in accordance with James 2:20.
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