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Posted on 8/23/15 at 6:48 pm to FaCubeItches
Posted on 8/23/15 at 6:48 pm to FaCubeItches
Man....
....frick god.
....frick god.
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 8:44 pm to Peter Buck
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the father and the son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all I have commanded you."
Matthew 28:19
Most English translations say 'baptizing them in the name" but the original Greek NT scripture translates as "into the name." A small thing on the surface but significant.
To baptize in the name of Yeshua implies authority is given to the 120 or so Apostles who were with Yeshua at the Mount of Olives. The phrase 'into the name' takes it to a different level. Not only are they given authority to carry out the great Commision through baptism but they were ushering new believers "into the name." That is ....into the family of Christ.
Make no mistake, they needed the power that he put into them at that moment. Up until then, most of them demonstrated human cowardness and disavowed any association they had with him previously out of fear of reprisal. The giving of this power and courage is what allowed the church (not a building or a place but a movement) to spread so rapidly.
I agree that some evangelicals go about their Commision in a heavy handed way. But ten times more of them are teaching the Message of the Gospel in places like Sudan, China, Prague, Havana, Belgium, in American inner cities etc.,etc.etc. These people are 'Moving' which is what the 'movement' is about. Mark Richt is 'moving' according to the command of his Lord in Matthew 28:19.
Matthew 28:19
Most English translations say 'baptizing them in the name" but the original Greek NT scripture translates as "into the name." A small thing on the surface but significant.
To baptize in the name of Yeshua implies authority is given to the 120 or so Apostles who were with Yeshua at the Mount of Olives. The phrase 'into the name' takes it to a different level. Not only are they given authority to carry out the great Commision through baptism but they were ushering new believers "into the name." That is ....into the family of Christ.
Make no mistake, they needed the power that he put into them at that moment. Up until then, most of them demonstrated human cowardness and disavowed any association they had with him previously out of fear of reprisal. The giving of this power and courage is what allowed the church (not a building or a place but a movement) to spread so rapidly.
I agree that some evangelicals go about their Commision in a heavy handed way. But ten times more of them are teaching the Message of the Gospel in places like Sudan, China, Prague, Havana, Belgium, in American inner cities etc.,etc.etc. These people are 'Moving' which is what the 'movement' is about. Mark Richt is 'moving' according to the command of his Lord in Matthew 28:19.
Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:23 pm to Dick Leverage
Why did Mark have a very different recollection of the same event? Why isn't Richt playing with snakes and speaking new languages?
Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:37 pm to Dick Leverage
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But ten times more of them are teaching the Message of the Gospel in places like Sudan, China, Prague, Havana, Belgium, in American inner cities etc.,etc.etc. But ten times more of them are teaching the Message of the Gospel in places like Sudan, China, Prague, Havana, Belgium, in American inner cities etc.,etc.etc.
Belgium and Prague? Wow, they picked some real anti-Christian third world hellholes. I hope they get hazard pay.
Posted on 8/23/15 at 10:25 pm to FaCubeItches
No doubt. But that is the point. Go where most needed. My church has planted a church in Belgium and it currently has grown to over 100 regular members. A mission group is leaving for Prague in two months.
Posted on 8/23/15 at 10:37 pm to Peter Buck
Amazing, miraculous things occurred that week in Jeruselum. Thousands of Jews came as they were required to do so 3 times a year. They came from all over the region. Many foreign languages were represented that week. They all heard the same message from the Apostles but in their own language. The Apostles were given the power to speak the message to groups of them in their own language. Jews who spoke clearly and eloquently in languages they knew not. It must have been an awesome thing to witness.
I believe most people Richt talks to speak English? His Honduran trips probably have translators where needed?
I believe most people Richt talks to speak English? His Honduran trips probably have translators where needed?
Posted on 8/24/15 at 5:34 am to Dick Leverage
It's cool, you can laser focus on Matt or Mark depending on your affinity for snakes I guess.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:27 am to Peter Buck
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Why did Mark have a very different recollection of the same event? Why isn't Richt playing with snakes and speaking new languages?
Nowhere in the Bible does it command Christians to "play with snakes. People who do that, do that to demonstrate their faith that God can protect them from harm. I think it is a misguided thing to do.
As for speaking in tongues...it was done on occasions as a method of interpretation for those in attendance that did not speak their language. At Pentecost, for instance, there were literally thousands of people in attendance from many different countries speaking many different languages.
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 7:35 am
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:32 am to Dick Leverage
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No doubt. But that is the point. Go where most needed. My church has planted a church in Belgium and it currently has grown to over 100 regular members. A mission group is leaving for Prague in two months.
My church goes to Romania ever year and gives socks, scarves, toys, soap, tooth brushes, coats and things to the needy there. We have helped rebuild hospitals, schools and churches in Romania, Cuba, Cambodia, India and other places. We also operate a clinic in our town for anybody that does not have insurance. It is staffed by doctors, and they can write perscriptions, dispense medicine, etc. There is one guy that could not get the medicine he needed (cost and could not afford) so the doctors at the clinic contacted a drug rep and the company is providing his medicine at no cost.
This is probably one reason I am a little sensitive to criticism of the church. Churches are not perfect, but they do an awful lot of good for people that need help.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:35 am to DawgsLife
Mark 16:14-19 is very clear on this. If you believe Matt then you gotta be down with Mark too...
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:53 am to DawgsLife
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My church goes to Romania ever year and gives socks, scarves, toys, soap, tooth brushes, coats and things to the needy there. We have helped rebuild hospitals, schools and churches in Romania, Cuba, Cambodia, India and other places. We also operate a clinic in our town for anybody that does not have insurance. It is staffed by doctors, and they can write perscriptions, dispense medicine, etc. There is one guy that could not get the medicine he needed (cost and could not afford) so the doctors at the clinic contacted a drug rep and the company is providing his medicine at no cost.
This is probably one reason I am a little sensitive to criticism of the church. Churches are not perfect, but they do an awful lot of good for people that need help.
Churches have done many good deeds for many centuries. They were the first Forster homes and nursing homes and even medical facilities in some parts of the world. Yet, let's face it, they are also used as vehicles for conversion. Which seems logical and just to those who are going on the missions... I get that...
There are a number of Muslim groups that do the same thing. Even over on our side of the world. There is a big push in Haiti now for instance. They send them doctors and med care and medicine, but they need to listen about the Prophet to get it.
It's recruiting. With a nice sales package.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:55 am to Peter Buck
quote]Mark 16:14-19 is very clear on this. If you believe Matt then you gotta be down with Mark too...
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Here is the passage you reference:
Mark 16:14-19King James Version (KJV)
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
It does say that those signs will accompany those that believe, (I don't believe it is talking about individuals, but as a group) but does not command that every believer do this. I am sure that some might do this....but I do not. As proof of this, it clearly says in other passages that speaking in tongues is a gift, and not something that every believer does. It also says (Or indicates) that that gift (Speaking in tongues) is a relatively minor one.
There are many other gifts of the Spirit (Teaching, preaching....these are listed in several passages:
Romans 12:6-8
1 Corinthians 12:8-10
1 Corinthians 12:28
Ephesians 4:11
Are just some...
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Here is the passage you reference:
Mark 16:14-19King James Version (KJV)
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
It does say that those signs will accompany those that believe, (I don't believe it is talking about individuals, but as a group) but does not command that every believer do this. I am sure that some might do this....but I do not. As proof of this, it clearly says in other passages that speaking in tongues is a gift, and not something that every believer does. It also says (Or indicates) that that gift (Speaking in tongues) is a relatively minor one.
There are many other gifts of the Spirit (Teaching, preaching....these are listed in several passages:
Romans 12:6-8
1 Corinthians 12:8-10
1 Corinthians 12:28
Ephesians 4:11
Are just some...
Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:59 am to Peter Buck
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Yet, let's face it, they are also used as vehicles for conversion.
Absolutely no doubt. And, I really don't have a problem with that.
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They send them doctors and med care and medicine, but they need to listen about the Prophet to get it.
It's recruiting. With a nice sales package.
While true in many cases, it is not true in all cases. Our church for instances...when it comes to the Free Clinic and the mission trips....do the work and offer to talk about our Faith AFTER the work is done. If people refuse, then they still get what we are there for, and that is helping people.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:00 am to DawgsLife
The word Shall doesn't mean maybe
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:05 am to Peter Buck
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The word Shall doesn't mean maybe
It doesn't mean all. either. Nowhere does it say all believers will do these things.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:07 am to Peter Buck
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The word Shall doesn't mean maybe
The telling word is "if"....IF they do this....they will not be harmed.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:15 am to DawgsLife
It clearly says they shall take up serpants. No ifs there.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:29 am to Peter Buck
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It clearly says they shall take up serpants. No ifs there.
Ok. We are not getting anywhere. If you keep reading it clearly says if they do this they will not be harmed. I don't know what to tell you. While it is specifically talking about the drinking of harmful substances, it is clearly referencing the entire passage.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 9:05 am to DawgsLife
No, there is a semi colon there. It says they shall take up serpents. It doesn't say if. It's clear. Unless you don't want it to be.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 9:26 am to Peter Buck
I don't know what to tell you, man. It is talking about these things and then says "if". You can disregard it, change it or infer that it doesn't mean something. I can't make you understand or agree. That is why these type discussions are pointless.
I can pick out any number of inconsistencies with some of your beliefs and we can argue ad nauseum. But all of this just doesn't get anybody anywhere.
I can pick out any number of inconsistencies with some of your beliefs and we can argue ad nauseum. But all of this just doesn't get anybody anywhere.
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