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Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:59 pm to NCdawgfan34
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:59 pm to NCdawgfan34
Agreed, it is minor. Every single action is going to hurt somebody's feelings. I have read articles that show organized religion is loosening its hold on America, so I can only imagine things like this will pop up more and more.
I blame caitlyn jenner.
I blame caitlyn jenner.
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Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:24 pm to Peter Buck
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Bible clearly states that the only way to Heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and to be born again.
I am confused. That is what the Bible clearly states. If you don't believe this is true, then that is your perogative. but that is exactly what the Bible states.
I understand they said that to a Jew...but you also have to understand that a Jew would think Christians are just as wrong and do not believe in the true messiah. If you criticize Christians for stating their beliefs...because you do not believe as they do, then you would have to criticize everyone for their beliefs. Jews believe if you don't believe as they do then you are not going to heaven, Muslims believe the same. As do every other belief system out there. Why people single out Christians for their beliefs, I'm not sure.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:28 pm to ATLdawg25
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Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:31 pm to ATLdawg25
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The "Muslim conquests" were threatening Anglo-Saxon borders because the Muslims had the balls to spread what they believed.
While true, the Muslims were doing wit with the sword. You converted or were put to the sword. Some of the more radical Muslim groups continue to espouse this way of conversion.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:32 pm to DawgsLife
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Why people single out Christians for their beliefs, I'm not sure.
This is textbook observational bias, IMO.
Christians are not singled out for their beliefs any more than a Muslim or Jew is singled out for theirs.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:39 pm to ATLdawg25
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This is textbook observational bias, IMO.
Christians are not singled out for their beliefs any more than a Muslim or Jew is singled out for theirs.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There are many instances that could be brought up where Chrsitians are singled out while Muslims have been left alone.
Just to name one.....when is the last time you have seen a Christian portrayed on television in which he was not a wild eyed crazy person, or was used to make fun of?
Jokes are continuously made about Christians, but you rarely hear of any about Muslims.
If you see a show on television in which terrorism occurs a Muslim is always brought in for questioning and exonerated. When is the last time you have seen a Muslim portrayed on television as a terrorist? Usually it turns out to be a fringe Christian group/person.
You don't have to agree with my observations...but watch and see if I am correct. Fair enough?
I shouldn't have gotten involved. This is a sports board and I have gotten way off topic...even for this thread.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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When is the last time you have seen a Muslim portrayed on television as a terrorist?
seriously?
I mean, UGA is in the bible belt so I imagine I am in the minority here, but there is just no way that you can say that Americans give Christians shite for their beliefs and don't do the same to Muslims.
I'm not even saying that Christians don't get singled out. They do. You just think it happens to you and no one else because you - like every other human on this planet - pay attention to your own group more than others.
We can agree to disagree, but as someone who is neither a Christian or a Muslim (or a Jew, for that matter)...I strongly disagree.
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Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:02 pm to NCdawgfan34
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So Buck tell me this you have a problem with a religious group who are evangelical Christians and they tell people the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ? Are you mad that they are firm in their beliefs and tell people what they believe is true or that they just don't accept all religions and hold hands and sing Kumbaya? This tolerance crap is what is putting down the drain. Who cares if you don't like the way they are spreading what they believe at least they have the balls to stick with what they believe.
I personally found most of them to be lower IQ and creepy acting, but like I said... Once I heard what they had to say and that they essentially were personally condemning the rest of the world along with 87% of Christians, including their head coach, to eternal Damnation for not believing their interpretation of the Bible... I decided to not associate with them. Especially when their mouths didn't correlate with their actions.
Beyond that, I could care less... Yet, I am not surprised that they are being called out and am surprised it took this long.
...and as far as preaching their word... It seems to me they are seeking validation as much as wanting to help others... But that is another discussion...
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:14 pm to ATLdawg25
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The "Muslim conquests" were threatening Anglo-Saxon borders
The Muslims were threatening groups like the Byzantines, Franks (France), and Lombards (Italy), not the Anglo-Saxons, who were further North and West.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:21 pm to ATLdawg25
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seriously?
Yes. I'm not talking about the news or after a terrorist attack. I am talking about a regular entertainment television. I have seen exactly 1 since 9/11. 1. I am serious. Pay attention and see if you ever see one. As I said, one is always rounded up for questioning but they are always cleared.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:48 pm to FaCubeItches
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The Muslims were threatening groups like the Byzantines, Franks (France), and Lombards (Italy), not the Anglo-Saxons, who were further North and West.
Thanks. I was just quoting WorkinDawg, but I wouldn't have known that stuff regardless
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:53 pm to DawgsLife
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I'm not talking about the news or after a terrorist attack. I am talking about a regular entertainment television. I have seen exactly 1 since 9/11. 1. I am serious. Pay attention and see if you ever see one. As I said, one is always rounded up for questioning but they are always cleared.
As I said before, if you are looking for examples of christian's being portrayed as extremists, or Muslims always being let go after questioning (?), you will see them every time.
Admittedly, I don't watch much tv where people are being detained and questioned, so maybe that genre is religiously biased
I can't argue about this anymore because it has been blown out of proportion. Live and let live, I say.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 3:01 pm to Peter Buck
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Once I heard what they had to say and that they essentially were personally condemning the rest of the world along with 87% of Christians, including their head coach, to eternal Damnation for not believing their interpretation of the Bible
just so I'm on the same page, is that interpretation you're talking about that the only way to Heaven is to accept Jesus as your savior?
Because like dawgslife said...there really isn't any debate about that, from a Christian perspective. That is the only way, period.
Granted, some Christians are AWFUL at relating that message. Some do it in completely piss poor ways. But that interpretation isn't something they just sat down and came up with, it's basically the one basic, fundamental, bottom line tenant of the entire religion.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 3:35 pm to Peter Buck
Peter, I will admit that I am and Evangelical Christian. But somewhere along the way you have gotten the wrong idea about what that means, I THINK. Evangelicals are not condemning 87% of the rest of the Christians. The only difference is that Evangelicals actively tell people about their faith.
They do not condemn other Christians that do not do that.
Here it is in a nutshell:
A person who believes that Jesus came down to earth and died on the cross for their sins, then rose from the dead three days later, and turns their life over to Jesus/God is a Christian.
Whether you witness or not...or whether you are baptized through immersion or sprinkled...none of that matters. (We DO believe all Christians should witness in some way. We think it is Biblical) All of that said, I can only add that perhaps those people you ran into at college were young, inexperienced and a bit too aggressive. typically I do not walk up to people and begin witnessing to them. I normally wait until approached with a question and just state what I believe. People I work around know I am a Christian because they ask what i did over the weekend and I mention that I attend church. You would be surprised how often they come back later and ask me questions about my faith. I know I have been surprised. I hate it when people have bad experiences, but it happens.
They do not condemn other Christians that do not do that.
Here it is in a nutshell:
A person who believes that Jesus came down to earth and died on the cross for their sins, then rose from the dead three days later, and turns their life over to Jesus/God is a Christian.
Whether you witness or not...or whether you are baptized through immersion or sprinkled...none of that matters. (We DO believe all Christians should witness in some way. We think it is Biblical) All of that said, I can only add that perhaps those people you ran into at college were young, inexperienced and a bit too aggressive. typically I do not walk up to people and begin witnessing to them. I normally wait until approached with a question and just state what I believe. People I work around know I am a Christian because they ask what i did over the weekend and I mention that I attend church. You would be surprised how often they come back later and ask me questions about my faith. I know I have been surprised. I hate it when people have bad experiences, but it happens.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 3:56 pm to DawgsLife
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Jews believe if you don't believe as they do you're not going to heaven
Jews. simply believe you become closer to God or further away in the afterlife and any judgments in the afterlife are far more focused on actions as opposed to beliefs.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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just so I'm on the same page, is that interpretation you're talking about that the only way to Heaven is to accept Jesus as your savior? Because like dawgslife said...there really isn't any debate about that, from a Christian perspective. That is the only way, period. Granted, some Christians are AWFUL at relating that message. Some do it in completely piss poor ways. But that interpretation isn't something they just sat down and came up with, it's basically the one basic, fundamental, bottom line tenant of the entire religion.
The 13% believe that the act of being a Christian must precede baptism. The other 87% think it starts when Baptised at birth, thus, 87% of Christians are not saved according to the 13%s opinion of the translation of the Bible put together by the 87% folks about 1600 years ago give or take.
I mean, I guess the Bible is clearer to the 13%.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:15 pm to Peter Buck
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The 13% believe that the act of being a Christian must precede baptism. The other 87% think it starts when Baptised at birth, thus, 87% of Christians are not saved
well, I guess I'm in the 13. Baptism isn't even a requirement. I always liked the way our pastor described baptism. It's like a wedding ring; just wearing it doesn't make you married, it's just an outward symbol that you are. You aren't required to wear a wedding ring, but if you're married, why wouldn't you want to?
When you're born, you can't make major decisions like being saved. Someone baptising you or sprinking water on your head as an infant isn't going to save you. Getting saved is a conscious, intentional decision a person makes.
Going back to what I said ealier, the Bible is emphatically clear that the only way to heaven is to be saved, by accepting Jesus as your savior. Being baptised as a baby before you even have a concept of what any of that means is essentially worthless, IMO.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:24 pm to RD Dawg
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Jews. simply believe you become closer to God or further away in the afterlife and any judgments in the afterlife are far more focused on actions as opposed to beliefs.
The definition of Hell is separation from God.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:25 pm to WG_Dawg
Again, that is your opinion and I have no issue with it. Just remember that the NT was assembled, translated, and culled by the older Chrsitian Religions that make up the 87%.
I guess I find it odd that they didn't notice that part until the Evangelical movement splintered from the Protestant movement in the 1800s and discovered it as their own.
I guess I find it odd that they didn't notice that part until the Evangelical movement splintered from the Protestant movement in the 1800s and discovered it as their own.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 4:45 pm to DawgsLife
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The definition is a seperation God
So what?Its not what was stated.ONCE AGAIN,its a belief of closer or further away from God.NOT the absence
Oh,BTW the definition of Hell in evengelical terms is FAR more than just the absence of God.C'mon and you know that.
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