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re: A few quick thoughts from the game
Posted on 11/10/15 at 7:55 am to djsdawg
Posted on 11/10/15 at 7:55 am to djsdawg
It's no clear. We just do not know if th RT missed his block. Even assuming it was, the fake seemed like the RB or QB missed the fake which didn't help. The DE typically won't crash unless he reads a dive. It was a fakish pitch on what looked like some sort of off tackle play... Something wasn't right with it.
As for me, I like to run dives and isos until they can stop me. Still, I get what he was thinking. It just didn't work out ... shite happens.
As for me, I like to run dives and isos until they can stop me. Still, I get what he was thinking. It just didn't work out ... shite happens.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:30 am to GurleyGirl
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But it wasn't a winning play or a play with a high chance of success. It looked like Murray was trying to throw fade to the right corner. With the ball inside the 5 yard line there simply wasn't enough space for the play to work; there were defenders all over the receiver on that side. IMHO, Murray should have been rolling out to the right side with lead blocking and multiple options to run himself, pitch out to Gurley, throw to Gurley or throw to one of the receivers after they came up to defend the outside run.
The whole rationale behind not spiking the ball there was two shots at the end zone. There is absolutely no reason to run the ball there, even with Gurley. We ran a play to the outside that was reasonable - if it doesn't work, you get to huddle up and take your time for that last shot.
Again - frustrating that it didn't work, but there was no issue with the play call.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:21 am to Peter Buck
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It's no clear. We just do not know if th RT missed his block. Even assuming it was, the fake seemed like the RB or QB missed the fake which didn't help. The DE typically won't crash unless he reads a dive. It was a fakish pitch on what looked like some sort of off tackle play... Something wasn't right with it.
We do know because that's exactly what a naked boot looks like and Mason said he knew to expect an unblocked guy.
You do bring up a great point on the horrible design of the fake toss, but I don't think you were trying to accomplish that. It really needed to be a fake handoff immediately after actual handoffs, but bobo didn't design it properly or set it up properly. Then, the de would have crashed down instead of going straight to the qb. Simply put, way too risky of a call in that situation.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:26 am to djsdawg
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You do bring up a great point on the horrible design of the fake toss though, but I don't think you were trying to accomplish that.
Good job Peter...you blindly stumbled into a good point!
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:52 am to ATLdawg25
Not blind in the least bit. I doubt the play was designed that way. It makes no football sense. Say what you want about Bobo, but he scored a lot of points. Not sure how you expect to get a DE to crash on what looked like a Lead play off tackle with a fake pitch and an H back or whatever running against flow. That play doesn't work unless you engage the DE or he is doing some type of stunt away from the eventual flow. Especially when the back flow happens behind the LOS where he can see it.
I have no issue with wanting to run a play like that as long as it is executed properly.
I have no issue with wanting to run a play like that as long as it is executed properly.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:16 am to Peter Buck
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It makes no football sense. Say what you want about Bobo, but he scored a lot of points. Not sure how you expect to get a DE to crash on what looked like a Lead play off tackle with a fake pitch and an H back or whatever running against flow. That play doesn't work unless you engage the DE or he is doing some type of stunt away from the eventual flow. Especially when the back flow happens behind the LOS where he can see it.
Exactly. You are getting so close. Almost there.
Just a horribly timed, designed, and executed play. Hard to come up with a bigger clusterF, and it's on bobo. He even took the blame himself. If his guys ran a play that wasn't called as you seem to be clinging to, I doubt he would have.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:44 am to djsdawg
I doubt he was going to throw his guys under the bus. I know he isn't perfect, but again, the dude's offenses scored a ton of points. I'd give him the benefit that something wasn't right on that play... Even if he didn't come out and say it. He could have got stuffed three times and then everyone would have said he needs to be more creative and get to the edge..
In any case, that play is not a naked bootleg as it was more of a waggle with the H back or whatever they call him came underneath the play and appeared to be the intended receiver. To run it naked, you need to run a dive type play at the A or B gap to force the DE to crash...
In any case, that play is not a naked bootleg as it was more of a waggle with the H back or whatever they call him came underneath the play and appeared to be the intended receiver. To run it naked, you need to run a dive type play at the A or B gap to force the DE to crash...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:54 am to Peter Buck
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He could have got stuffed three times and then everyone would have said he needs to be more creative and get to the edge..
This goes back to my point that you continue to ignore about sc's inability to stop us on the goal line earlier in the game, and If sc was finally able to stuff us a couple of times, then a much better time to call a pass arises. It's the type of call that takes patience, which bobo lacked.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:02 pm to djsdawg
Not ignoring it. I said I am of the school that you need to stop my dive before I do much else. It sets up PA and misdirection, etc. I don't know his motivation to run it.... But again, the guy scored a lot of points and wasn't our issue for loss too often. To break it out on its own as a proof source of something much bigger is silly. In any case, they stuffed the run on the next play...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:07 pm to Peter Buck
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case, that play is not a naked bootleg as it was more of a waggle with the H back or whatever they call him came underneath the play and appeared to be the intended receiver. To run it naked, you need to run a dive type play at the A or B gap to force the DE to crash...
This is incorrect. "Naked" describes an unblocked qb off the backside after a fake to the rb, which is exactly what happened. A well designed naked should involve the type of fake handoff you point out, but a poorly designed naked off of a fake toss is a naked nonetheless.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:12 pm to djsdawg
What's your background in football?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:26 pm to Peter Buck
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the guy scored a lot of points and wasn't our issue for loss too often. To break it out on its own as a proof source of something much bigger is silly. In any case, they stuffed the run on the next play...
1. An oc who scores a lot is the kind that can outsmart himself. Maybe a little too cocky for his own good.
2. Our o was an issue in most of our losses. Not understanding that reality likely allows you to give Bobo the benefit of doubt on the naked boot despite very little doubt existing.
3. Tg gained 3 yards on the next play, which isnt a stuffing.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:29 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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A few quick thoughts from the game by SneakyWaff1es
What's your background in football?
Middle school qb, lifelong fan
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:39 pm to djsdawg
It's like reading the guy flipping burgers at McDonald's argue with Gordon Ramsey.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:03 pm to djsdawg
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This is incorrect. "Naked" describes an unblocked qb off the backside after a fake to the rb, which is exactly what happened. A well designed naked should involve the type of fake handoff you point out, but a poorly designed naked off of a fake toss is a naked nonetheless.
Naked is an unblocked DE using the action of a dive to cause the DE to crash and the QB to run outside of contain. With the H back also running behind the line against the flow, we are much more in a waggle type play as the QB is not naked as he has a guy in front of him. Which tells me that the RT needed to get a hat on the DE...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:09 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Its like reading the guy flipping burgers arguing with Gordon Ramsey
Exactly,and the guy won't give up or concede any other point of view other than is own NO MATTER how wrong he is or who he's arguing with.He'll go on and on and on...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:12 pm to RD Dawg
frick it... I'm gonna ask him in a few weeks and get back to you.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:37 pm to RD Dawg
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Its like reading the guy flipping burgers arguing with Gordon Ramsey
Exactly,and the guy won't give up or concede any other point of view other than is own NO MATTER how wrong he is or who he's arguing with.He'll go on and on and on...
Not once have you ever made a good point to prove me wrong on a subject. You always run from the discussion when I toss your response to the trash compactor.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:39 pm to djsdawg
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Not once have you ever made a good point to prove me wrong on a subject.
You wouldn't know a good point if it poked you in the face repeatedly until it climaxed all over your tits.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:42 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Not once have you ever made a good point to prove me wrong on a subject.
You wouldn't know a good point if it poked you in the face repeatedly until it climaxed all over your tits.
Today has proven otherwise.
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