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re: A few quick thoughts from the game
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:43 am to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:43 am to Dawgsontop34
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Completely disagree with you here. That is coaching. Grantham should be saying that in the huddle to them, and then Matthews should have been told to do that when our team watched film of the LSU game that year and he dove for the ball on the final play of that game to try and pick it off.
I was taught that in Jr. High School. NO college coach EVER had to tell me that, and I was not a 5* recruit. That is simply a matter of selfishness on the part of a player. He wanted to end the game with an interception. 4th and 23....you do NOT pick off a pass thrown 50 yards down the field under ANY circumstances. If it was the first quarter you would have cost your team a TON of yards.....every college player knows this.
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South Carolina in 2014 could be coaching as well. We got killed repeatedly on the same route, and we didn't run the ball near the goal line. Players contributed but coaching still had an impact.
I agree coaching might have had an impact...but not as much as many claim. I actually liked the play. SC had stuffed Gurley on several runs in that drive. The whole purpose of a play action is to open the recever up when they (defense) bits on the fake. Mason did the grounding which cost us.
Also, don't forget the kickoff return for a TD that was called back that shouldn't have. (Or was it a long run by Gurley?) While some might say the coaches cost us, it was officiating and player mistakes that ultimately cost us the game.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
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You do realize that while we finish Top 10 in recruiting, Alabama has finished with the #1 class 5 straight years, right? It's not like our talent is even remotely close to Alabama's.
Yep, and I fully recognize that difference in recruiting is significant especially in the trenches. Yet we were more than competitive against them in 2012 in the SECCG; one smart play on the goal line and we win that game and probably go on to beat ND in the NCG....
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:25 am to GurleyGirl
I wonder how Saban would do with our team as t stands?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:27 am to Peter Buck
He would have done better. So would Meyer.
So as soon as they become available, we should grab them.
So as soon as they become available, we should grab them.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:36 am to DawgsLife
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I was taught that in Jr. High School. NO college coach EVER had to tell me that, and I was not a 5* recruit. That is simply a matter of selfishness on the part of a player.
I completely understand what you're saying. I remember batting a ball down (rather than picking it off) in 7th grade because it was 4th down and I wanted better field position. Matthews and Harvey-Clemsons should absolutely know that. But if/when they don't, it's on our coaches to make sure they learn not to do that.
This is evidence that we needed to teach Matthews not to try and make an unnecessary play on 4th down. We didn't tell him that during film obviously, and when we called timeout right before that play we should have made sure everyone knew that.
As far as the SC game goes, I don't have a massive problem with the play-action, but if I'm the OC I run the ball 4 times with Todd, and if we don't get in, fine, we don't deserve to win the game. They hadn't proven they could stop him all game (and yes, the refs did mess up that long run by Todd). I also couldn't be mad at Bobo because we scored 42 points in the game. You should win if your offense scores that many points. But he did deserve some of the blame IMO.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:37 am to Peter Buck
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I wonder how Saban would do with our team as t stands?
Hard to say but I wouldn't expect much improvement considering our circumstances. Saban's teams are consistent in large part due to top notch recruiting. I think it would take Saban a few seasons to recruit his players to make a significant difference at Georgia. But hey, any coach who could reel in the cream of the crop every season would probably improve our situation. Yes, we get a lot of good players from our state but we also miss out on some key players/difference makers and settle for too many 3 star players IMHO.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:41 am to GurleyGirl
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Yet we were more than competitive against them in 2012 in the SECCG; one smart play on the goal line and we win that game and probably go on to beat ND in the NCG....
Ok. So tell me this, then....if talent isn't close...facitlities aren't close....history isn't close....
What made the difference in 2012? Maybe Richt isn't that bad of a coach, after all?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:43 am to ATLdawg25
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He would have done better. So would Meyer.
And yet Richt played Saban to a standstill in 2012.
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So as soon as they become available, we should grab them.
When has Georgia EVER gone after a head coach? USUALLY we go for a hot up and coming assistant. Neither Saban nor Meyer would come to Georgia. Anybody that thinks they are dying to come to UGA is kidding themselves.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:48 am to DawgsLife
If Richt and Saban switched places for 5 years, I would bet that Richt would win more than Saban... Strictly due to the fact that their scholarships are worth more than ours.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:51 am to Dawgsontop34
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I completely understand what you're saying. I remember batting a ball down (rather than picking it off) in 7th grade because it was 4th down and I wanted better field position. Matthews and Harvey-Clemsons should absolutely know that. But if/when they don't, it's on our coaches to make sure they learn not to do that.
If he needed to be told he shouldn't have gotten a scholarhsip. He knew and still went for the interception. Selfishness, pure and simple.
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They hadn't proven they could stop him all game
Go to ESPN and look up the boxscore of that game. Look at the tab labeled "Play by Play". I think you will find that SC HAD stuffed Gurley on several occasions and a couple of times on that same drive.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:56 am to DawgsLife
That selfishness is why is is not on the team now.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:57 am to DawgsLife
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If he needed to be told he shouldn't have gotten a scholarhsip. He knew and still went for the interception. Selfishness, pure and simple.
You're told your whole life to make a play on the ball. Sometimes players don't think about the minor penalties of a pick. It's definitely a teaching point, not a reason to revoke a scholarship offer.
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SC HAD stuffed Gurley on several occasions and a couple of times on that same drive.
We'd just intercepted the ball. I can guarantee you Gurley hadn't been stopped on that drive.
Look, I'm one of the most Pro-Richt guys on this board, but we have absolutely made some poor coaching decisions great teams don't make.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:01 pm to Dawgsontop34
Did you see th UM/MSU game this year?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:11 pm to DawgsLife
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VERY good LSU team had a ver similar score to ours. Our fans takeaway? LSU has a title contending team that could have made the playoffs. UGA is a dumpster fire
You will see they didn't stop him twice in a row, and not often during the game. You will also see how they couldn't stop us from running it down their throats for tds inside the redzone. He should have at least gotten the ball in the first 2 downs.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:18 pm to djsdawg
That play on 3rd down theoretically would not have had the same affect as on an early down when the LBs are cheating to the gaps... Football is complex in a lot of regards... Sometimes, pulling something out of context like a play call.... Especially with the convenience of hind sight, is not really defining the flow and scheme and sequence.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:22 pm to Peter Buck
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Did you see th UM/MSU game this year?
Part of it. I didn't see the end live because I was heading into Sanford. Why?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:25 pm to Dawgsontop34
The greatest coach in college football lost a rivalry game due to a major special teams blunder. Like an epic one.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:44 pm to DawgsLife
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When has Georgia EVER gone after a head coach? USUALLY we go for a hot up and coming assistant. Neither Saban nor Meyer would come to Georgia. Anybody that thinks they are dying to come to UGA is kidding themselves.
Calm down there pirate. You missed the sarcasm. I have been consistent in my stance that the only reason we get rid of Richt is if we know we get one of the top coaches in football. That ain't happening, so I don't want to get rid of CMR.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:49 pm to Peter Buck
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A few quick thoughts from the game by Peter Buck
That play on 3rd down theoretically would not have had the same affect as on an early down when the LBs are cheating to the gaps... Football is complex in a lot of regards... Sometimes, pulling something out of context like a play call.... Especially with the convenience of hind sight, is not really defining the flow and scheme and sequence.
I would argue the exAct opposite. The naked boot could have worked better if it came after goal line stops of gurley.
With that said, Sc Didn't stop us from scoring on the goal line earlier, so we had foresight there. Doesn't take hindsight to know how risky a naked bootleg is on first down taking the previous sentence into account. Then consider who your qb and Rb are, and it gets even dumber.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:08 pm to DawgsLife
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Ok. So tell me this, then....if talent isn't close...facitlities aren't close....history isn't close....
I never said any of these things aren't close which is one reason I am disgruntled over our inability to play competitively so often against our rivals. The game with Tennessee was a close competitive game. The games vs Alabama and Florida were not. As others have said, it's not so much the loses but how we lost that matters.
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What made the difference in 2012?
One failed play on the goal line. Winning teams execute winning plays when the opportunity presents itself. After all these years, Richt should have had a high probability play ready to go in that situation.
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Maybe Richt isn't that bad of a coach, after all?
I have always considered CMR to be a good coach but not a great coach. One near miss season in 2012 does not put him close to equal footing with Nick Saban. Mark seems to have an ongoing problem in building a complete team with good depth and at least part of the reason seems to be the inability to attract key in-state players. Yea, yea I know we can't retain all of the recruiting wealth within our state but IMHO we could be doing a much better job of getting the cream of the crop.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 1:15 pm
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