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Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:12 pm to Crowknowsbest
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If we can't do that, we won't have a good team.
Accurate. We also have to remove our heads from our asses and realize that if the OL continues to struggle, that stretching the play outside might be more likely to lead to success than continuing to pound the inside for 1-2 yards per rushing attempt as the OL misses block after block. Variety in terms of *how* we approach this will go a long way in driving success there.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:19 pm to fibonaccisquared
It will help a lot if Eason can effectively make good run checks in year 2.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:48 pm to Crowknowsbest
Assuming the defense plays as expected, I think the following has to happen for us to be a really good team, in order of importance
1. OL improves across the board
2. Eason takes next step in terms of accuracy and reading the game
3. Consistency/catching from WR position
4. Chubb returns to (near) pre-injury form
Each of those things are big question marks to me and will in my opinion determine whether we have a repeat of last season or a very special year
1. OL improves across the board
2. Eason takes next step in terms of accuracy and reading the game
3. Consistency/catching from WR position
4. Chubb returns to (near) pre-injury form
Each of those things are big question marks to me and will in my opinion determine whether we have a repeat of last season or a very special year
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
If the offensive line sucks as bad as they did last year outside run plays wont help either
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:10 pm to NCDawg52
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1. OL improves across the board
2. Eason takes next step in terms of accuracy and reading the game
3. Consistency/catching from WR position
4. Chubb returns to (near) pre-injury form
Your points seem to be the UGA fan consensus, but here's where I disagree with that consensus.
1. OL needs to improve, yes, but more importantly our Offensive coordinator and quarterback need to take the pressure off of them. If we can't pass, effectively, and be a proven threat to do it on any down or distance, then our offensive linemen will find themselves having to block too many defenders. Our run game will get stuffed just like last year.
2. Eason needs to take the first step, not the next step, towards accuracy and reading the game. He was horribly inconsistent last year, and showed very little of anything that could be considered a meaningful first step toward being an effective college quarterback.
3. If Eason sees his receivers and gives them catchable balls in a timely manner, they'll be fine. If he does what he did last year, they won't. If Chaney trusts
Eason to do that, and mixes up his calls, that will help the receivers succeed.
4. Chubb will not be successful no matter how much he improves unless points 1-3 are addressed. If they are, he'll be fine.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:44 pm to wdhalgren
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OL needs to improve, yes, but more importantly our Offensive coordinator and quarterback need to take the pressure off of them. If we can't pass, effectively, and be a proven threat to do it on any down or distance, then our offensive linemen will find themselves having to block too many defenders. Our run game will get stuffed just like last year.
This is a bit of a chicken egg situation to me. More consistent pass threat definitely takes pressure off the OL, but there were problems all season with pass protection, especially at the tackle position. You are correct that the play calling has to be more varied.
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2. Eason needs to take the first step, not the next step, towards accuracy and reading the game. He was horribly inconsistent last year, and showed very little of anything that could be considered a meaningful first step toward being an effective college quarterback.
I think you are being harsh here. Eason didn't have a perfect year, but he showed enough moxie as a true freshman in the SEC to justify some optimism. Obviously comparisons to Stafford both statistical and anecdotal have been beaten to death here, and I doubt you will change your mind.
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3. If Eason sees his receivers and gives them catchable balls in a timely manner, they'll be fine. If he does what he did last year, they won't. If Chaney trusts
Eason to do that, and mixes up his calls, that will help the receivers succeed.
You're not wrong, but I also don't think all of the receivers' struggles were based on Eason fastballing. Quite a few of the games that I'm sure you and others would cite as bad outings from Eason were marred with some critical drops at crucial moments. Again, I agree with you on Chaney's role and the need to trust Eason more and open up the playbook.
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Chubb will not be successful no matter how much he improves unless points 1-3 are addressed. If they are, he'll be fine.
My point is simply that Chubb was obviously a few steps off his pace physically last year. Sony was the better back last year. The type of injury Chubb sustained takes years to fully recover from. I don't think he is a Heisman candidate unless the rest of the team comes together in a special way, but I do think that he was missing the X factor that makes him a constant threat last year.
Overall, I reitarate my main point: there is a wide range of how this team can perform in 2017, and one way or another we will learn a lot about the coaching staff based on the results. Low end is repeat of last season, high end is roll through the east and head to Atlanta with a puncher's chance.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:22 pm to NCDawg52
Your response was a pleasant surprise. Most fans would rather attack the messenger than make a reasonable counter argument when someone disagrees with their opinion. Anyway, I just see what may be rationalizing from the Georgia fan base right now. They'd rather blame the OL for the bulk of our problems than admit something more painful may be the root cause. Namely, either:
1) our #1 ranked qb is less than advertised, or,
2) There's a problem with the new coaching staff.
Fixing the OL seems easier and more palatable, the mix has changed during the offseason, so fans use that line of logic to give them hope. I saw something a little different. A lot of the OL problems, both in pass protection and run blocking were because defenses just attacked the LOS and the football. They didn't respect our ability to make them pay for that tactic, and that made it harder for the OL to block in every situation, including pass blocking. Every defensive coordinator loves a situation where he can tell his playmakers, run to the ball. Defenders play fast and aggressive under those circumstances because there's less thought involved.
If Eason/Chaney turn into a effective team at spreading the ball around and using the entire field, the OL, RB, Receiver, TE problems will disappear or greatly diminish, IMO. Mainly, my guess, Eason has to think and react a lot quicker, and he has to fix his mechanics. A dedicated/good quarterbacks coach would be a plus, IMO.
1) our #1 ranked qb is less than advertised, or,
2) There's a problem with the new coaching staff.
Fixing the OL seems easier and more palatable, the mix has changed during the offseason, so fans use that line of logic to give them hope. I saw something a little different. A lot of the OL problems, both in pass protection and run blocking were because defenses just attacked the LOS and the football. They didn't respect our ability to make them pay for that tactic, and that made it harder for the OL to block in every situation, including pass blocking. Every defensive coordinator loves a situation where he can tell his playmakers, run to the ball. Defenders play fast and aggressive under those circumstances because there's less thought involved.
If Eason/Chaney turn into a effective team at spreading the ball around and using the entire field, the OL, RB, Receiver, TE problems will disappear or greatly diminish, IMO. Mainly, my guess, Eason has to think and react a lot quicker, and he has to fix his mechanics. A dedicated/good quarterbacks coach would be a plus, IMO.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 4/4/17 at 6:59 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:07 pm to wdhalgren
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1) our #1 ranked qb is less than advertised, or,
2) There's a problem with the new coaching staff.
I think it's a little of both. Eason didn't exactly play in a talent rich environment in high school. He has an arm but he throws a pretty wobbly ball that's rarely on target. Lots of people here will throw stats up that say he improved as the season went on but I think a good bit of his passing stats can be directly attributed to receivers catching balls that were dropped early on.
As for Chaney...I'm on the fence. Tennessee was a good offensive team with him. But the two best running backs in the SEC shouldn't have to ask him for the ball.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:15 pm to grey
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Here's a clip of Mecole catching some passes: LINK
Boy, he sure looks the part.
Gonna be honest, I didn't see that at all. I hope I'm wrong, and it's just a small sample size, but he did a really poor job of using his hands to catch the ball. Let it come into his body way too much.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:15 pm to wdhalgren
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1) our #1 ranked qb is less than advertised, or,
2) There's a problem with the new coaching staff.
I think we will come to the conclusion that both are big problems.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:33 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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think a good bit of his passing stats can be directly attributed to receivers catching balls that were dropped early on.
You are exaggerating this.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:11 pm to djsdawg
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You are exaggerating this
Okay. In the Fromm love thread you used stats from the first 6 games and the last 7 for comparison.
First 6 games he was 86/165 which is 52.1% completion.
Last 7 games he was 118/202 which is 58.4% completion.
You don't think there were 10 more dropped passes in the first half than the second? Because that's the difference in completion percentages.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:32 pm to Dawgsontop34
He was rounding those corner routes really bad. That's part of the reason it looked like that. When he rounds that route he drifts from the ball. One of those safeties will pop him or pic one and it will be his fault. He will learn and get better at that real quick.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:25 am to Dawgsontop34
I think he's raw, but I honestly think he's the most explosive/fastest kid on our roster.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:27 am to BranchDawg
Seth Emerson put out an article today that states Ben Cleveland has been coming along nicely at RT. I would imagine Wilson will take that spot over when he gets here but it's nice to at least hear some good news about Cleveland, if nothing more than for depth.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:19 am to LedDawgK
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Ben Cleveland has been coming along nicely at RT.
Redshirt SO. Pat Allen also getting praise from Smart at LG.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:45 pm to BranchDawg
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quote: Ben Cleveland has been coming along nicely at RT.
Sounds like he finally stopped crying in his dorm at night
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:54 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Okay. In the Fromm love thread you used stats from the first 6 games and the last 7 for comparison.
First 6 games he was 86/165 which is 52.1% completion.
Last 7 games he was 118/202 which is 58.4% completion.
You don't think there were 10 more dropped passes in the first half than the second? Because that's the difference in completion percentages.
There very well could have been 10 more. I hate how dropped passes isn't a stat that can be easily obtained. Anyways, if the improvement is simply a product of better catching and not with better passing, then that means Eason was a 58% type passer all year long, which proves he wasn't as bad as some like whaldgren claim. His month by month comp % went 52, 54, and then 59%.
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