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Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:36 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:36 pm to djsdawg
Eason's passing percentage would be much lower if the jet sweep passes were counted as handoffs.
Last season Eason had big problems with timing, accuracy and movement in the pocket. Eason's high school record was much better in his second year. I hope for the same in college but I need to see it to believe it.
Last season Eason had big problems with timing, accuracy and movement in the pocket. Eason's high school record was much better in his second year. I hope for the same in college but I need to see it to believe it.
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:01 pm to Whiznot
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Eason's passing percentage would be much lower if the jet sweep passes were counted as handoffs.
Much lower might be a bit of an overstatement... I can't imagine it would more than by 5% or so... We ran the play a fair amount to be sure, but it wasn't like it was 20% of our "passing plays" or something.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:06 pm to Whiznot
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Eason's passing percentage would be much lower if the jet sweep passes were counted as handoffs.
Depends. I don't think we ran it the same every time, so not all counted as passes, and we certainly ran that play more often earlier in the season than later. His unc stats were easily the most impacted of any single game.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:23 pm to djsdawg
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Eason was a 58% type passer all year long
That's what I was getting at. He played really well for a freshman from the beginning but didn't improve much.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
If 2 of 20 passes are jet sweeps that is 10%. Jet sweeps make passing stats almost meaningless.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:32 pm to Whiznot
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Eason's passing percentage would be much lower if the jet sweep passes were counted as handoffs.
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If 2 of 20 passes are jet sweeps that is 10%. Jet sweeps make passing stats almost meaningless.
Dude...
Eason was 204/370 which is 55.1%. Let's say he had 15 jet sweeps this season (which seems high to me but I just picked a number at random). His passing stats would then be 189/355 for 53.2%.
I would hardly call a less than 2% swing in accuracy "much lower". Not to mention a jet sweep in itself is not considered a pass, on plays where someone ran in motion and he handed the ball off that still counts as a run. The only ones that counted as passes where ones where he kind of flipped the ball to the guy on the same kind of play. I know for a face we did not have 15 of those all year and it was probably more like 5 to 7.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:53 pm to SneakyWaff1es
I've said this before, but it's really hard to improve your mechanics (and, therefore, touch and accuracy) during the season. You just don't have enough time to rep that stuff enough to improve.
I'm sure all our QBs are on what basically amounts to a pitchcount during practice on any given game week. Given how much time you need to spend on reps specific to that week's gameplan, most of those throws aren't going to be of the fundamental training variety.
If Eason shows up with the same mechanical flaws in September, that's a problem. Him not improving those flaws during the season is normal.
I'm sure all our QBs are on what basically amounts to a pitchcount during practice on any given game week. Given how much time you need to spend on reps specific to that week's gameplan, most of those throws aren't going to be of the fundamental training variety.
If Eason shows up with the same mechanical flaws in September, that's a problem. Him not improving those flaws during the season is normal.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 3:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Him not improving those flaws during the season is normal.
I wasn't saying he should, just that he didn't. Just pointing out that his stats may not have improved because he did.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 3:11 pm to SneakyWaff1es
That wasn't so much directed as you as much as a response to the discussion in general.
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:48 pm to WG_Dawg
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Dude...
Eason was 204/370 which is 55.1%. Let's say he had 15 jet sweeps this season (which seems high to me but I just picked a number at random). His passing stats would then be 189/355 for 53.2%.
I would hardly call a less than 2% swing in accuracy "much lower". Not to mention a jet sweep in itself is not considered a pass, on plays where someone ran in motion and he handed the ball off that still counts as a run. The only ones that counted as passes where ones where he kind of flipped the ball to the guy on the same kind of play. I know for a face we did not have 15 of those all year and it was probably more like 5 to 7.
Ding ding ding... which is what I was getting at. Thanks for demonstrating.
ETA: To boil it back down to a single game:
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If 2 of 20 passes are jet sweeps that is 10%. Jet sweeps make passing stats almost meaningless.
Eason averaged roughly 28 passing attempts per game, let's take your 10% number which would be ~3 per game number (seems awfully high, but let's run with it). He completed roughly 16 passes per game. If I take the "10%" away, I'm still left with 13/25 - 52% completion rate relative to the 16/28 or 57%... back to my original estimate of no more than a 5% differential... And as WG said, this is estimating that 3 passes *per game* were not only jet sweeps, but that they were of the "flip it forward"/mini-shovel pass variety. It's just not the data-invalidator that you've claimed.
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:28 pm to fibonaccisquared
No way he averaged more than one jet sweep of that variety per game...
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:43 pm to Crowknowsbest
Legit question, what mechanical flaws do you see?
The biggest thing I saw from last year was Jacob was not great at moving through a progression. That's not something high school QB's are taught and it's very difficult to learn the first year in college.
Obviously, going through a progression isn't a mechanical flaw but I haven't broken down JE's mechanics other than watching our games in real time.
The biggest thing I saw from last year was Jacob was not great at moving through a progression. That's not something high school QB's are taught and it's very difficult to learn the first year in college.
Obviously, going through a progression isn't a mechanical flaw but I haven't broken down JE's mechanics other than watching our games in real time.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 6:00 am to DoubleDawg22
His footwork is a mess at times, and he threw off his back foot a lot. He also has a sort of 3/4 motion, which is not ideal but is fine if his feet are set.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 6:59 am to Crowknowsbest
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His footwork is a mess at times, and he threw off his back foot a lot
This for sure... often times it was beyond throwing off the back foot and almost falling backwards (not solely due to pressure either). This was particularly evident on some of the deep balls that were grossly underthrown. It's not uncommon for young QBs with a lot of arm talent, under pressure they rely on the arm talent and the fundamentals go out the window... the hope on this front is that after a year to acclimate to SEC speed, learn the system, and getting more comfortable with the weapons he has, he'll be able to make better decisions and feel comfortable that he has enough time to do all of those things that he knows that he should.
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He also has a sort of 3/4 motion
I seem to recall seeing this more on the short/intermediate passes, often resulting in passes thrown low or slightly behind the receiver (still fastballs usually, just off the mark a bit). Is this what you're talking about Crow? If not, I might go back and watch some tape just out of curiosity.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 7:08 am to fibonaccisquared
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I seem to recall seeing this more on the short/intermediate passes, often resulting in passes thrown low or slightly behind the receiver (still fastballs usually, just off the mark a bit). Is this what you're talking about Crow? If not, I might go back and watch some tape just out of curiosity.
It's just more difficult to get the release point right, especially when you want to take something off the throw. Not impossible, but footwork needs to be better.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 7:19 am to DoubleDawg22
I would also add that his 3, 5, and 7 step drops were not crisp all year. I blame that on a high school career of taking shotgun snaps at the deepest point of the drop as well as feeling rushed due to enhanced scheme and athleticism from opposing pass rushers.
Everyone talks about the difficulty of a young QB adapting to taking a snap under center, but drop mechanics are extremely important as well. When his drops were haphazard, the timing of the play was off. Add to that the fact that he struggled to plant his back foot and step into throws out of the drop, and you get accuracy struggles.
This also helps explain why Eason often looked best out of a deep shotgun and even on rollouts/moved pockets. I'm looking to see more confident footwork. If he has drilled that in the offseason and demonstrates improvement there, I think he makes strides across the board.
Everyone talks about the difficulty of a young QB adapting to taking a snap under center, but drop mechanics are extremely important as well. When his drops were haphazard, the timing of the play was off. Add to that the fact that he struggled to plant his back foot and step into throws out of the drop, and you get accuracy struggles.
This also helps explain why Eason often looked best out of a deep shotgun and even on rollouts/moved pockets. I'm looking to see more confident footwork. If he has drilled that in the offseason and demonstrates improvement there, I think he makes strides across the board.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 7:36 am to Sandwich
Agree 100% with this.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:05 am to DoubleDawg22
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Legit question, what mechanical flaws do you see?
He threw off his back foot from time to time. Interestingly enough...not all the time) He would throw before getting his feet set, sometimes, too. These might be habits developed in high school, or they could be because of his lack of confidence in his OL...it could also just be because he felt he could get away with it like he did in high school and had a hard time breaking the habit.
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The biggest thing I saw from last year was Jacob was not great at moving through a progression.
This is not mechanical...its more mental....however, I agree. I thought he felt very confident with Nauta and would lock in on him sometimes. Again...not always, but too often.
(Just saw where you noted progression is not mechanical, so my apologies)
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:08 am to DawgsLife
Is Gibbs getting a look at wr?
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:17 am to 3morereps
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Is Gibbs getting a look at wr?
No. Just DB
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