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re: The fanbase, aggydom, and poisoning the well
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:49 pm to tmc94
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:49 pm to tmc94
I think you underestimate how toxic out athletic department and BOR has become in recent years. The fanbase has become an extension of that.
True or not, there is a source for these rumors and it isn't joe blow aggy. It's people in the AD, in the administration and influential higher ups in the money chain.
True or not, there is a source for these rumors and it isn't joe blow aggy. It's people in the AD, in the administration and influential higher ups in the money chain.
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:50 pm to tmc94
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I think for instance Sumlin's callousness towards the media and especially paysites from day one has led to a lot of this in football because he has essentially ceded all control of a narrative.
This is an excellent point
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
oh no, I'm well aware we've got people in the AD and boosters that have been actively working against Sumlin since day one. We're dysfunctional on a number of levels. It's actually been the case with the last 3 football coaches to my knowledge.
But I'm not just talking about football. We are this way at this point in virtually every sport.
But I'm not just talking about football. We are this way at this point in virtually every sport.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:55 pm to tmc94
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What can we do about this? And I don't mean just on this board, but in general. Because I honestly believe our fanbase should be a major plus for A&M and it's just not right now.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's much anyone can do about it. We desperately need some sort of tangible success to calm the masses, but even that will only be temporary. In the internet era, everything good turns to bad, eventually.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:56 pm to Old Sarge
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Bmas about Meachum is pure fabrication
Came directly from Hamm AND Liucci
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1. Sumlin talking to NFL is pure speculation
This is coming from respected national sources who make Liucci look small time. If Billy Liucci wants to puts his sources up against Adam Schefter and Michael Silver he'll get laughed at.
It's pretty clear what happened: Liucci said Sumlin should be fired if he was looking around, not thinking he was. Then it comes out he was but will probably have to stay at A&M and Liucci has to deny the reports he was looking around or spend he next year plus dealing with a coach he publically said should be fired. That's not good for business when your livilihood depends on inside info from that program.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:58 pm to NanosTacoRun
you know, this is sort of where I'm at on the subject, but another side of me considers the business/marketing aspect of it.
Someone will get it right. Just crush it. And the school that does will have unmitigated success until others copy/adapt. But you aren't going to be that lead school if you aren't thinking about it.
Someone will get it right. Just crush it. And the school that does will have unmitigated success until others copy/adapt. But you aren't going to be that lead school if you aren't thinking about it.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:00 pm to NanosTacoRun
quote:thank god for basketball
We desperately need some sort of tangible success to calm the masses
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's pretty clear what happened: Liucci said Sumlin should be fired if he was looking around, not thinking he was.
Where and when did Looch say that?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:06 pm to tmc94
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you know, this is sort of where I'm at on the subject, but another side of me considers the business/marketing aspect of it.
Someone will get it right. Just crush it. And the school that does will have unmitigated success until others copy/adapt. But you aren't going to be that lead school if you aren't thinking about it.
I'm not sure I follow... are you talking about a completely open/honest athletic department?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:07 pm to PowerTool
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Where and when did Looch say that?
Couple of days ago on TA or Twitter I forget. It's copied and pasted 8nto one of the threads on this board though, I don't recall which one but it's there.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:10 pm to tmc94
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The conclusion I've come to is that AD that can best control the mob in this day and age is the one most likely to be successful.
Or coach, especially in a football crazy market like Texas.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's pretty clear what happened:
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:12 pm to tmc94
I'm still curious as to what "facts" are being misrepresented but I'll say this. If there are a lot of untrue rumors running around, somebody high up with authority (AD, coaches, head coach, etc) need to say something. Otherwise you will get a lot of speculation and rumor milling, good or bad.
Sumlin uses Twitter, would it be hard for him to tweet something like "reports are false, I am committed to coaching at A&M. We are working hard and next year is going to be special, gig'em!" Or something like that? Other rumors like him tricking BMAs with meecham swap for Mazzone are harder but at the end of the day there will be speculation until someone high up puts rumors to rest. It's just how it is, and it's not going to change.
Sumlin uses Twitter, would it be hard for him to tweet something like "reports are false, I am committed to coaching at A&M. We are working hard and next year is going to be special, gig'em!" Or something like that? Other rumors like him tricking BMAs with meecham swap for Mazzone are harder but at the end of the day there will be speculation until someone high up puts rumors to rest. It's just how it is, and it's not going to change.
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:15 pm to tmc94
Meh. I don't think any of the BMAs or regents get where they are by being completely honest or nice to people. No different than any other type of politics. I'm sure there is and always will be fighting between people up there.
Liucci is decent to get a general feel of stuff but I think most of his content is just his feelings not facts. I mainly use his tweets and posts as entertainment until info is released from the school
Liucci is decent to get a general feel of stuff but I think most of his content is just his feelings not facts. I mainly use his tweets and posts as entertainment until info is released from the school
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:22 pm to finestfirst79
Clever
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:37 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Ok, so what absolutely isn't true then?
It's not about what hasn't been proven false, it's that all rumors, any rumors, are treated as 100% fact and then held against X coach or Y player. The latest one I ran across was the Sumlin lied about having Meacham in hand. Huh??
You have to admit, there are so many rumors flying around that when repeated 5 times, people start to believe. You're getting pissed at Sumlin for completely made up reasons that you (you meaning the collective fanbase) for no reason believe are true or "could totally see" being true.
I get what tmc is saying. All the "I hate that coach/player so I'm going to believe every negative rumor about them" attitudes are pathetic and ruins decent conversation. It's not an intellectually honest thing to do. You can be upset about something without resorting to that BS.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:38 pm to Agforlife
I saw what Billy tweeted, it didn't say anything about Sumlin being fired. This is just another example of Roger or somebody taking something they heard and slightly altering it in order to ratchet up the rhetoric.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to take a break from this board for a while. At least on other boards, there enough users to have some give and take and actual discussions. The size of this board just makes it too tempting for a couple of people to try to dominate it with spam.
It's pretty damned boring to see the same two or three people posting the exact same rants in every single thread. I'm convinced that a couple of posters here are just bots programmed to respond to certain keywords.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to take a break from this board for a while. At least on other boards, there enough users to have some give and take and actual discussions. The size of this board just makes it too tempting for a couple of people to try to dominate it with spam.
It's pretty damned boring to see the same two or three people posting the exact same rants in every single thread. I'm convinced that a couple of posters here are just bots programmed to respond to certain keywords.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
You know Presidential administrations face criticism, distortion, lies or whatever all the time. Sometimes from their enemies, sometimes from their allies. They don't usually deal with this by wishing everyone would just pipe down and keep their opinions to themselves.
What they do is communicate to the media and the public their view of the situation. Yes, sometimes they ignore the critics. But if the criticism is gaining traction, you better believe they put their view out there.
I'm glad the AD said something today. Nothing preventing Sumlin from refuting NFL rumors. Heck, Saban routinely confronts questions about his interest or lack of, in NFL jobs.
Some may reject my political analogy. As if there is no politics involved in being head football coach at A&M.
A&M is not helpless in putting it's message out there. But, you have to do that yourself for it to have credibility. Others can't do it for you.
What they do is communicate to the media and the public their view of the situation. Yes, sometimes they ignore the critics. But if the criticism is gaining traction, you better believe they put their view out there.
I'm glad the AD said something today. Nothing preventing Sumlin from refuting NFL rumors. Heck, Saban routinely confronts questions about his interest or lack of, in NFL jobs.
Some may reject my political analogy. As if there is no politics involved in being head football coach at A&M.
A&M is not helpless in putting it's message out there. But, you have to do that yourself for it to have credibility. Others can't do it for you.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:47 pm to tmc94
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you know, this is sort of where I'm at on the subject, but another side of me considers the business/marketing aspect of it.
Someone will get it right. Just crush it. And the school that does will have unmitigated success until others copy/adapt. But you aren't going to be that lead school if you aren't thinking about it.
At the end of the day, no amount of marketing can overcome a mediocre product. Whatever forces are working against Sumlin, his biggest enemy has been the results on the field. If he had been winning more, do you think his job would be at risk? Say he'd won 10 games this year, would there be any pressure on him?
And the worst of it is, things don't look like they're getting better. They look like they're getting worse. In that context, what is a fan supposed to do? This is emotional for us. That's why we care, because we have an emotional and psychological investment in the team. And given how our last three coaches have ended their careers mired in mediocrity, I'm not sure how the fanbase, even one like ours, can maintain a positive outlook when it looks like we may be going down that familiar road again.
I mean, I understand not wanting to torpedo your school's recruiting efforts, but at some point it becomes impossible to avoid discussing the elephant in the room. I would agree that some fans go nuclear. But even supremely level-headed people have to admit things aren't going well.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:53 pm to Projectpat
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You can be upset about something without resorting to that BS.
I agree the "I hate Spavital with the white hot heat of a thousand suns and hope he gets cancer in his dick" stuff is childish and counterproductive.
But how do we know which rumors are true, and which are false? Do you know Sumlin didn't lie about having Meacham? I don't know. Has anyone with any "sources" categorically denied it? I'd like to think he wouldn't do that. I'd like to think better of our coach. But we have to face the possibility that it may be true. Sometimes "our guys" really do bad things.
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