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re: The fanbase, aggydom, and poisoning the well
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:54 pm to PikeBishop
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:54 pm to PikeBishop
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If you want the fans to start seeing the game more like the coaches, why not try coaching them up some more?
this is a pretty good idea. You'd still have people not get it because everyone thinks they are an expert at coaching football but it's definitely a good start.
I do think you'd have to hire more staff to do it because Will Johnson ain't gonna and I don't think the coaches are going to spend time on this. But it's probably worth the money and resources if done right. I'd like to see them expand 12th man studio anyway.
But maybe it could be no more than an all-22 cutup with an O/D grad assistant talking over it. I mean who wouldn't want to have a weekly half hour show with Connor McQueen explaining what's going on to you?
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:55 pm to Projectpat
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:57 pm to Ag8556
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I would suggest recapping major injury impacts in the first weekly press conference after the player in question misses a game.
this is far more complicated than you think
There are 105 college kids on the roster. They all have bumps and bruises and personal issues and class issues. On top of that there are about as many recruits to keep up with.
Even if they are informed, to talk about the doctor prognosis requires student-athlete approval. It's just far easier to tell everyone to frick off rather than go thru what you can and can't say each week.
Couple examples
James White's injury was apparently very complicated and hard to explain as the doctors told the coaches they'd "never seen anything like it" and really weren't sure when he'd be back or what he could handle. They literally thought he might play the next week for 3-4 weeks in a row (well actually I think they disagreed with each other)
Jay Bradford specifically asked that A&M not disclose his condition. That's non-negotiable.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:01 pm to tmc94
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I do think you'd have to hire more staff to do it because Will Johnson ain't gonna
I'm not hating on Will Johnson in any way, but our Athletic Department desperately needs a secondary voice that could take up some of voice-over duties. Will is fine and all, but it would be nice to have a deeper voice do some of the game recaps and 'The Pulse' series. More variety if you will.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:04 pm to tmc94
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Even if they are informed, to talk about the doctor prognosis requires student-athlete approval. It's just far easier to tell everyone to frick off rather than go thru what you can and can't say each week.
I could understand when players don't want their personal medical information passed on to the media.
I remember some years back when USC released that they cancelled practice due to a quarter of all the players having 'Jock Itch'. Brah! TMI!
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:05 pm to lonestar91
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if you say/hear something long enough you begin to believe it. I don't know what's true in all this but I don't believe in tearing someone down like that.
it's counterproductive on a number of levels as well.
First if your goal is to make Sumlin/Kennedy/Hyman/whomever so miserable they leave on their own, you are damaging their personal brand making it harder for them to get a comparable job, much less a better one.
And I can't think of anything good that comes from emasculating a coach. It makes it harder to hire assistants. It makes it harder to recruit. It makes them unhappy people which makes them more detached (this matters to fundraising and just overall program health).
It also doesn't help the next guy. They walk into a worse situation than they could have and anyone on the outside can see what a cluster frick we are. I can tell you one college coach thinks the way we railroaded Spav is pathetic and would never come to A&M because of it. These are people and others take notice. You can fire a guy without trying to ruin him.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:10 pm to Projectpat
Exactly
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:12 pm to Agforlife
No seriously I'm seriously serious
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:15 pm to tmc94
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this is far more complicated than you think
There are 105 college kids on the roster. They all have bumps and bruises and personal issues and class issues.
That's fine. However when you starting QB has an injury and you start the backup... don't you think it would be nice to let the fans know that the starter has an injury? Wouldn't it be the right thing to do to let the fans know Allen was hurt and had not lost his job?
I get that Sumlin has a history of not always talking about injuries but what went down with Kyle Allen was a joke this season. Not only did KS not talk about Allen's injury but it sounded like Ags were going with Murray to shake things up.
Some of this makes zero sense and it is bush league all the way. I can't imagine any other coach in the SEC, B12, etc.. letting his QB hang in the wind like that. Can't respect a guy that does this to a player.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:24 pm to Tridentds
Not defending how Kyle was handled. Just pointing out the obvious flaw in the whole "weekly update" idea.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:30 pm to Tridentds
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Some of this makes zero sense and it is bush league all the way. I can't imagine any other coach in the SEC, B12, etc.. letting his QB hang in the wind like that. Can't respect a guy that does this to a player.
On the surface, I agree with you but this sort of bugs me. You honestly don't know what happened. How can you say that?
I understand being frustrated over not having all the facts. I just don't get having a hard and fast opinion when you know you don't have all the facts.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:31 pm to Tridentds
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That's fine. However when you starting QB has an injury and you start the backup... don't you think it would be nice to let the fans know that the starter has an injury? Wouldn't it be the right thing to do to let the fans know Allen was hurt and had not lost his job?
This is what tmc94 was talking about. We don't know the entire story behind it, so even speculating/talking on what the right move should have been is counterproductive. As far as we are concerned, maybe Kyle Allen didn't want to be considered "injured" and told Sumlin he was ready to go in case of emergency, so Sumlin kept him active just in case.
We can continue to speculate on some of Sumlin's motives in how he handles injuries, but as long as he is doing what he thinks is best for the program, we should just sit back and let the man do his job without further stoning him for doing his best. Besides, in the grand scheme of things, the way he handles announcing injuries is pretty damn irrelevant to the final product.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:40 pm to greenbastard
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This is what tmc94 was talking about. We don't know the entire story behind it, so even speculating/talking on what the right move should have been is counterproductive.
True. All we know is that both QBs decided to transfer at the end of the season.
I'm sure everything was just fine.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:44 pm to Tridentds
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True. All we know is that both QBs decided to transfer at the end of the season. I'm sure everything was just fine.
Hyman hinted that the QBs parents may have played a role....
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:53 pm to greenbastard
A&M fans went "full-retard" this post season and it was aided by Texags. The most successful coaches in the SEC all had 9+ seasons to develop their systems and recruiting pipelines. We are all freaking out after 4.
1. Gary Pinkel, Missouri – 15th season
2. Mark Richt, Georgia – 15th season
3. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina – 11th season
4. Les Miles, LSU – 11th season
5. Nick Saban, Alabama – 9th season
6. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State – 7th season
7. Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss – 4th season
8. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M – 4th season
9. Mark Stoops, Kentucky – 3rd season
10. Bret Bielema, Arkansas – 3rd season
11. Gus Malzahn, Auburn – 3rd season
12. Butch Jones, Tennessee – 3rd season
13. Derek Mason, Vanderbilt – 2nd season
14. Jim McElwain, Florida – 1st season
1. Gary Pinkel, Missouri – 15th season
2. Mark Richt, Georgia – 15th season
3. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina – 11th season
4. Les Miles, LSU – 11th season
5. Nick Saban, Alabama – 9th season
6. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State – 7th season
7. Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss – 4th season
8. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M – 4th season
9. Mark Stoops, Kentucky – 3rd season
10. Bret Bielema, Arkansas – 3rd season
11. Gus Malzahn, Auburn – 3rd season
12. Butch Jones, Tennessee – 3rd season
13. Derek Mason, Vanderbilt – 2nd season
14. Jim McElwain, Florida – 1st season
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:55 pm to Mirthomatic
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At the end of the day, no amount of marketing can overcome a mediocre product. Whatever forces are working against Sumlin, his biggest enemy has been the results on the field. If he had been winning more, do you think his job would be at risk? Say he'd won 10 games this year, would there be any pressure on him?
And the worst of it is, things don't look like they're getting better. They look like they're getting worse. In that context, what is a fan supposed to do? This is emotional for us. That's why we care, because we have an emotional and psychological investment in the team. And given how our last three coaches have ended their careers mired in mediocrity, I'm not sure how the fanbase, even one like ours, can maintain a positive outlook when it looks like we may be going down that familiar road again.
I mean, I understand not wanting to torpedo your school's recruiting efforts, but at some point it becomes impossible to avoid discussing the elephant in the room. I would agree that some fans go nuclear. But even supremely level-headed people have to admit things aren't going well.
Hear, hear!
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:19 pm to Mirthomatic
Mirthomatic posted the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
if you think mith's post (who's a great poster and I wouldn't want to represent otherwise) is perfect, you are completely whistling past the graveyard here.
He posted a strawman. It's fine that you agree with it, but it doesn't address the point at all.
He posted a strawman. It's fine that you agree with it, but it doesn't address the point at all.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:05 am to tmc94
I didn't say his post was perfect, only that it was the truth.
Both of y'all have raised excellent points, tbh. I upvoted your OP as well.
Not trying to debate with anyone, tbh. I'm too numb to do so
Both of y'all have raised excellent points, tbh. I upvoted your OP as well.
Not trying to debate with anyone, tbh. I'm too numb to do so
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
Both sides have good points.
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