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re: Jeffery Simmons - 36 overall - #3 DE - Noxubee County, MS
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:44 pm to Whereisomaha
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:44 pm to Whereisomaha
His sophomore year really wasn't that shitty. You keep saying it was, but he's been racking up numbers and getting slight recognition all along.
Nkemdiche changed positions, he didn't have to gain 40 pounds of muscle to fill out a 6'6" frame.
Fair point on perception = reality. But I disagree that the top few are all these kids see. Coaches are in their homes, breaking down all the exact things we are talking about.
Nkemdiche changed positions, he didn't have to gain 40 pounds of muscle to fill out a 6'6" frame.
Fair point on perception = reality. But I disagree that the top few are all these kids see. Coaches are in their homes, breaking down all the exact things we are talking about.
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:46 pm to skirpnasty
I only say that because he said he was embarrassed by his sophomore year and it would motivate him this year. I watched him play two games every year so all I am going by is that and his NFL projection.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:11 pm to Whereisomaha
But to the Saban point. This is how he recruited Altee Tenpenny, it may differ by position and by kid, but this is according to one of his coaches a few years back.
Tenpenny was the top recruit from Arkansas at the time. Saban in this meeting never mentions atmosphere, rings, legacy, etc...
Saban sits him down with his coach and his family, shows him the data on how long RB's last in the NFL, then he shows him the data on how likely he is to have a knee injury in college. Breaks down the average RB salary, then the average RB in the first round, and the impact injuries have on that salary.
He explains to him that he frankly has a handful of other backs just like him, just as promising, just as good. He then goes on to explain that he's going to ride the pine for a few years, before being the second back his sophomore or junior year like Richardson was to Engram, then Lacey to Richardson, etc... Then you are going to have one big year, one year where you are the workhorse and you get your fame, and you're going to get drafted and have a great NFL career.
So, by playing essentially 1.5 seasons here, instead of Arkansas or somewhere else and playing 3 or 4, you are going to decrease your probability of injury by x amount, which equates to this much money for you. Then leaves the guy with two choices. He can go to Arkansas or wherever and have a great college career, be the big guy for his whole time there, etc... Or... go to Alabama. Probably only have one big college year, but be more likely to stay healthy and have a better and longer NFL career, where you actually make money.
He said he was just like damn, there was no decision. It wasn't recruiting, no sales pitch, it was just the most responsible decision to make.
Now, granted, this is ostracized because of the short career of a RB. But still, thought it was an interesting and effective approach. They don't seem to process and pump other positions the same way, skill positions seem to stay around for a while. But even so, if I'm a top WR it would be hard to talk me out of Bama. Because, while a different game altogether than RB, they've shown that they will feed that one elite guy for 3 years.
ETA: I'm not sure why I went into that, probably just because I find it interesting. But to your point, LSU recruits on a pretty similar level. I wouldn't say Bama gets the top guys over them by any stretch, it's actually incredibly close considering how lopsided that matchup has been lately.
Tenpenny was the top recruit from Arkansas at the time. Saban in this meeting never mentions atmosphere, rings, legacy, etc...
Saban sits him down with his coach and his family, shows him the data on how long RB's last in the NFL, then he shows him the data on how likely he is to have a knee injury in college. Breaks down the average RB salary, then the average RB in the first round, and the impact injuries have on that salary.
He explains to him that he frankly has a handful of other backs just like him, just as promising, just as good. He then goes on to explain that he's going to ride the pine for a few years, before being the second back his sophomore or junior year like Richardson was to Engram, then Lacey to Richardson, etc... Then you are going to have one big year, one year where you are the workhorse and you get your fame, and you're going to get drafted and have a great NFL career.
So, by playing essentially 1.5 seasons here, instead of Arkansas or somewhere else and playing 3 or 4, you are going to decrease your probability of injury by x amount, which equates to this much money for you. Then leaves the guy with two choices. He can go to Arkansas or wherever and have a great college career, be the big guy for his whole time there, etc... Or... go to Alabama. Probably only have one big college year, but be more likely to stay healthy and have a better and longer NFL career, where you actually make money.
He said he was just like damn, there was no decision. It wasn't recruiting, no sales pitch, it was just the most responsible decision to make.
Now, granted, this is ostracized because of the short career of a RB. But still, thought it was an interesting and effective approach. They don't seem to process and pump other positions the same way, skill positions seem to stay around for a while. But even so, if I'm a top WR it would be hard to talk me out of Bama. Because, while a different game altogether than RB, they've shown that they will feed that one elite guy for 3 years.
ETA: I'm not sure why I went into that, probably just because I find it interesting. But to your point, LSU recruits on a pretty similar level. I wouldn't say Bama gets the top guys over them by any stretch, it's actually incredibly close considering how lopsided that matchup has been lately.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:16 pm to skirpnasty
You definitely aren't the new engie...
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:18 pm to skirpnasty
Serious question to you would you blame AJ or Simmons if they went to ole miss? Your coach is a lame duck and had been basically dominated by freeze. Also, ole miss has a potential top 5 class coming in with the #1 QB, a better town and is becoming a national brand. Mullen is trying to exit. Not being an arse just want to get your thoughts. I don't think I could blame them.
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:22 pm to Badge
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:23 pm to skirpnasty
I got caught up in the post there and forgot the point of it. My point was these coaches try to take the feelings out of it. They are trying to show them facts, results, and not "momentum".
I get your position on your draft this year. But you have to look at the facts and acknowledge that State has been sending a lot of kids since Mullen got things rolling. We signed 14 to NFL contracts last year. We have another 5 this year that will be drafted, in a down year, and 3-6 juniors who could declare and would get picked up if they decided to.
You're looking at 7 years, and 7 DL's who are currently on rosters, playing on Sunday's. Versus 3 years, and 1 guy who will be drafted in the first round this year. That's not even counting the guys who will get picked up this year. Ryan Brown will be on a roster next year. Nick James will be on a roster next year. Chris Jones, if he decides to declare, will be on a roster next year.
It would be one thing if this were an every year thing. It isn't. It's one extremely good DT, who has always been extremely good. If you want to be developed into an NFL DT, do you go with the guys who have produced 1 in 3 years, or the guys who have produced 7-10 in 7 years? It's really that simple, there is no decision.
I get your position on your draft this year. But you have to look at the facts and acknowledge that State has been sending a lot of kids since Mullen got things rolling. We signed 14 to NFL contracts last year. We have another 5 this year that will be drafted, in a down year, and 3-6 juniors who could declare and would get picked up if they decided to.
You're looking at 7 years, and 7 DL's who are currently on rosters, playing on Sunday's. Versus 3 years, and 1 guy who will be drafted in the first round this year. That's not even counting the guys who will get picked up this year. Ryan Brown will be on a roster next year. Nick James will be on a roster next year. Chris Jones, if he decides to declare, will be on a roster next year.
It would be one thing if this were an every year thing. It isn't. It's one extremely good DT, who has always been extremely good. If you want to be developed into an NFL DT, do you go with the guys who have produced 1 in 3 years, or the guys who have produced 7-10 in 7 years? It's really that simple, there is no decision.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:42 pm to Badge
Well...
First, if Mullen was trying to exit, he would be gone. If you really believe he was trying to exit, the year after signing a contract extension that progressively increases over the next 4, I have some real estate you need to look at. And in my opinion, this is the year he should leave. But I don't see it happening, logistically, it just does not make sense at all.
Second, yes I would blame them. But I grew up a State fan, maybe these kids don't have the loyalty I do.
Third, our coach is anything but a lame duck. Lame ducks have losing seasons at Florida. I will be the first to say that winning 10 games, going to 6 straight bowls, etc.... isn't easy at State.
Lastly, I am ok with he's doing against Freeze, it's a nice rivalry. It's going to ebb and flow, to take a snap shot and burn the barn over a 2 year period would be ridiculous, especially when we win 18, hopefully 19, games in that span. It sucks that we lost at home this year but, in reality, this OM team was loaded and probably should have won. And, honestly, Freeze isn't the only competition. My real worries are that he's 0-7 and 1-6 against Saban and Miles.
First, if Mullen was trying to exit, he would be gone. If you really believe he was trying to exit, the year after signing a contract extension that progressively increases over the next 4, I have some real estate you need to look at. And in my opinion, this is the year he should leave. But I don't see it happening, logistically, it just does not make sense at all.
Second, yes I would blame them. But I grew up a State fan, maybe these kids don't have the loyalty I do.
Third, our coach is anything but a lame duck. Lame ducks have losing seasons at Florida. I will be the first to say that winning 10 games, going to 6 straight bowls, etc.... isn't easy at State.
Lastly, I am ok with he's doing against Freeze, it's a nice rivalry. It's going to ebb and flow, to take a snap shot and burn the barn over a 2 year period would be ridiculous, especially when we win 18, hopefully 19, games in that span. It sucks that we lost at home this year but, in reality, this OM team was loaded and probably should have won. And, honestly, Freeze isn't the only competition. My real worries are that he's 0-7 and 1-6 against Saban and Miles.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:49 pm to skirpnasty
I get your point but I guess my question is a general one. You have to admit your coaching situation is kind of a mess. Mullen had most likely quit and would leave if he had an opportunity. These kids know this and have no idea who their next coach could be. Miss State has done a good job recently but do they really want to put theirselves in a position of uncertainty. I think Sommons sees this more than AJ. If NFL was the argument why wouldn't Simmons just go to Bama?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:54 pm to skirpnasty
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It's one extremely good DT, who has always been extremely good. If you want to be developed into an NFL DT, do you go with the guys who have produced 1 in 3 years, or the guys who have produced 7-10 in 7 years? It's really that simple, there is no decision.
You do realize how bad you are skewing thing your team's way. The question is did CHF inherit an SEC ready team....the answer is not no be "Hell No". He made the best with what he had. His recruits are just now getting to draft eligibity. It is only going to get better. Likely Woody will get a look if not land on a team. Then you have Brown, Jones, Speaks etc....following in trace. You can't sit here an say it isn't comparable when you are trying to compare Muffins body to work against Coach O's leftovers to a coach that did jack shite besides collect a paycheck and then CHF....Also I think the product on the field is rather telling, 3-1 and the 1 win was a home field OT fumble to clinch it.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:54 pm to skirpnasty
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First of all, the better women are at State.
Everything else you've said has been invalidated by that statement.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 7:14 pm to ABearsFanNMS
And there is where the pattern is. I don't think I've seen another state fan go here and I'll probably get harassed for saying it. But we haven't been good in the big game the past two years. Dak is a lot of things, but I'm not so sure that clutch is one of them. Home field advantage or not, we should have won last year in Oxford.
The last two years, our biggest 4 games have been the two Bama games, both had West implications on the line and for one we were ranked #1, and the Ole Miss games. One of those potentially had the CFP on the line, the other was his last game and I think/know he viewed it as a huge game.
In all 4, he absolutely shite the bed, especially in the first half. After half, he calmed down and played some damn good football, in literally all 4 instances. This year against Bama maybe to a lesser degree, but still a massive improvement over offensive movement in the first half. The egg Bowl 2 years ago was a big game, but he didn't start, he came in with nothing to lose.
I love Dak as much as the next State fan, and no doubt we are going to miss him. He's been absolutely lights out, but I cannot help but look at his biggest 4 games and recognize that laying a big ole first half dump was a trend. I'm not sure if he tries to do too much, maybe that causes him to make more or less keeps than he normally would. Turnovers are certainly part of it, I can think of at least like 6 in those 4 games alone, for a QB that doesn't turn the ball over often otherwise. His fumble in the EB this year was crippling, had the ball first and were driving smoothly, we've won 13 straight games when scoring first. Killed the drive and gave them pretty good field position, completely flipped the tone of the game right from the start.
The last two years, our biggest 4 games have been the two Bama games, both had West implications on the line and for one we were ranked #1, and the Ole Miss games. One of those potentially had the CFP on the line, the other was his last game and I think/know he viewed it as a huge game.
In all 4, he absolutely shite the bed, especially in the first half. After half, he calmed down and played some damn good football, in literally all 4 instances. This year against Bama maybe to a lesser degree, but still a massive improvement over offensive movement in the first half. The egg Bowl 2 years ago was a big game, but he didn't start, he came in with nothing to lose.
I love Dak as much as the next State fan, and no doubt we are going to miss him. He's been absolutely lights out, but I cannot help but look at his biggest 4 games and recognize that laying a big ole first half dump was a trend. I'm not sure if he tries to do too much, maybe that causes him to make more or less keeps than he normally would. Turnovers are certainly part of it, I can think of at least like 6 in those 4 games alone, for a QB that doesn't turn the ball over often otherwise. His fumble in the EB this year was crippling, had the ball first and were driving smoothly, we've won 13 straight games when scoring first. Killed the drive and gave them pretty good field position, completely flipped the tone of the game right from the start.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 8:36 pm to skirpnasty
I can't argue with a thing you posted....however, not sure how that impacts Simmons or how an assistant coach can spin that. Additionally, I would submit in at least the past two EBs the killer for State has not been an offense that shite themselves so much as a defense that couldn't stop the Ole Miss offense until CHF called off his troops.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:08 am to Whereisomaha
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Your current staff? How many people are on his staff that recruited and coached those kids?
Actually David Turner (DL Coach) Coached and recruited most of the DL on that list save for like two.
He's done two stints at State while Mullen has been the coach.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:12 am to Whereisomaha
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we know that AJ wants out of Starkville
No you don't. That kid wants to be recruited and that's the gist of it. People can believe what they want.Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:22 am to DynastyDawg
These threads are always nice reminders of why I find it so weird to be super into following college football recruiting. (Yes I hate updating that recruiting thread on the GrindRant)
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:36 am to Tennessee Jed
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Our starting LT is a fifth year senior, and three year starter, who came into the program as a consensus four star with offers from Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Stanford, USC, UCLA, and on, and on, etc. Our OL, and offense, was pretty effective this year. One of the best rushing attacks in the nation, no question.
Kerbyson named on ESPN's All-SEC first team.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:42 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
I try my best not to get sucked in anymore.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:56 am to DynastyDawg
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No you don't
He flat out said he wants out of Starkville. You guys are the most gullible fricks. He more than likely ends up at State, but it doesnt change the fact that he would rather not spend his college years in his hometown. The original point was that if any fandom or parental influence would affect a recruit's decision, we would know it at this point in the recruiting process.
LINK to your own people talking about it. He mentions it anytime a reporter asks him about staying in Starkville.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:00 am to Badge
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Your coach is a lame duck
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Mullen is trying to exit
You must have talked to him and gotten this inside info.
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