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re: Jeffery Simmons - 36 overall - #3 DE - Noxubee County, MS
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:15 pm to skirpnasty
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:15 pm to skirpnasty
You do realize the majority of D1 athletes didn't grow up a fan of a college team the way you and I did, right? We are on a message board. We represent 10% of a fan base, much less an entire state population. This is especially true in MS because if there were a "favorite college school growing up" type of question there's more that say Alabama and LSU than either instate school.
If he were a fan of either school growing up that had any real significance in where he is gong, we would know it by this point in his recruitment
If he were a fan of either school growing up that had any real significance in where he is gong, we would know it by this point in his recruitment
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 4:17 pm
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:19 pm to rebsfan10
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Did I read that correctly?
I'm not going to rob you of your reputation for gorgeous women, because it's a thing. But it's largely from about 40 years ago when Ole Miss was rolling out Miss America winners like candy. It's 2015 and every SEC school (ok save maybe Vandy, Kentucky, and Missou) has gorgeous women. It's a glorious thing that God loves the south.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:21 pm to skirpnasty
Your current staff? How many people are on his staff that recruited and coached those kids? We are about to put a DL with his exact same HS size and position into the first round, and the kid that was one spot behind in in the recruiting rankings isn't. You think the NFL angle is going to work against Freeze? Do you not understand what is about to happen at the end of April on the first day of the draft? First the state have better women and now this. I definitely bit on that hook
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:24 pm to Whereisomaha
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had any real significance in where he is gong, we would know it by this point in his recruitment
I would normally agree, but our staff tends to string them out for a while lately. The same can be said for Jones, Lashley, Brown, etc... The same with Peters and Leo last year, a lot of these kids like to string it out and stir the pot a little. And with the way they are paraded and as much impact as the media has on their ranking and how much attention they get, I really can't blame them for it.
I'm not saying we are getting him, but I don't think it's as black and white as you propose. Not as many kids tip their hat and shut things down now.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:25 pm to skirpnasty
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I'm not going to rob you of your reputation for gorgeous women, because it's a thing. But it's largely from about 40 years ago when Ole Miss was rolling out Miss America winners like candy. It's 2015 and every SEC school (ok save maybe Vandy, Kentucky, and Missou) has gorgeous women. It's a glorious thing that God loves the south.
I 100% agree with the last statement you made. I'm not sure about Vandy and Missou, but Kentucky has some beautiful women as well. But our reputation comes from the fact anyone sets foot in the grove, their jaws drop at the amount of beautiful women. I'm sure Georgia, Florida State, Arizona State and others have more based on sheer volume, but for quality Ole Miss is near the top in any conversation.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:29 pm to skirpnasty
Yes every SEC school has beautiful women, but perception is reality. We are perceived to have much better women thus recruits believe this. Why do you guys not understand why OM is a better job? You get these unbiased national publication that tell you OM has an elite college town. OM has one of the moat beautiful campuses in the country. We are a fun party school. Whether any of that is true or not doesn't matter. It is perceived that way thus it is a reality in recruiting. I mean it's one thing to say that Simmons won't let pussy make his decision because there is beautiful women at every campus. It's the exact same argument for schools cheating to get recruits. In the majority of cases, money does not dictate where the kid goes because every school cheats. But you said that state had better women, that's just 
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:32 pm to Whereisomaha
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are on his staff that recruited and coached those kids? We are about to put a DL with his exact same HS size and position into the first round, and the kid that was one spot behind in in the recruiting rankings isn't. You think the NFL angle is going to work against Freeze? Do you not understand what is about to happen at the end of April on the first day of the draft? First the state have better women and now this. I definitely bit on that hook
Actually, this staff is very much so involved with those guys. This is the second time both Turner and Diaz have been here, and Hughs has been here all along.
And there is a big difference between getting a guy to the league and having guys producing. Let's not act like Nkemdiche couldn't have went to any school in the country and gotten drafted high, he's literally been in the spotlight for like 6 years now. And he will produce, but it's still one guy compared to seven. One of which is a shoe in for the pro bowl.
Serious question now. I'm not saying he has or hasn't. Have you seen significant improvement since he signed? Do you see him as a totally different player now or would you agree that he was already the most polished player you've seen come out of highschool?
Not to take anything away from your development of them. But now that they are leaving, as a state fan, I will flat out say that Treadwell, Tunsil, and Nkemdiche were the 3 most NFL ready freshmen I've ever seen. I honestly think any of the 3 would be worthy of a #1 overall ranking in most recruiting cycles.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:33 pm to skirpnasty
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he same can be said for Jones, Lashley, Brown, etc... The same with Peters and Leo last year, a lot of these kids like to string it out and stir the pot a little. And with the way they are paraded and as much impact as the media has on their ranking and how much attention they get, I really can't blame them for it.
You just killed your argument. The same cannot be said about those players. Benito grew up a Bama fan, we know this. We know that Lashley grew up a state fan, we know that AJ wants out of Starkville but his parents want him at state. At this point in his recruitment, if Simmons parents wanted him at one school, or he grew up a fan of a school, we would all know it by now.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:35 pm to Whereisomaha
Wasn't talking about Benito, I meant Kobe who isn't committed. Granted, 100% of the CB is to State.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:37 pm to skirpnasty
This is Freeze's first year to have draft edible guys and they are juniors. Do you not think recruits can't understand what Freeze is projected to do this draft, which is his first opportunity, over shadows everything Mullen has done putting guys in the league? And I think Dan has done a great job with that but once again, perception is reality in recruiting and elite kids all think they are 3 and gone first round. That's what the elite kids like Simmons are looking at and Freeze has a bunch of projected first rounders on his first try.
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:39 pm to skirpnasty
And yes Rob has drastically improved each year IMO. Much more so than anyone else at his position outside of AShawn in that elite SEC DL class. He hasn't regressed in any year unlike Chris and Montravious and contributed more than Lawson by staying much healthier.
And it doesn't matter if you Meant Benito or whoever, the point still remains that if there isn anything that is a big factor in a kids recruitment at this point, we all know about them. We even know about the stuff that doesn't make a difference, like which school you cheered for growing up ala Benito
And it doesn't matter if you Meant Benito or whoever, the point still remains that if there isn anything that is a big factor in a kids recruitment at this point, we all know about them. We even know about the stuff that doesn't make a difference, like which school you cheered for growing up ala Benito
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:57 pm to Whereisomaha
You act like Freeze takes these guys and puts them all in the draft early. In reality, that has only happened for the guys who were gone after 3 years regardless. See CJ and Channing, or for that matter Gross. These were all kids of Simmons caliber, and they have all been developed very little or in Gross's case just not prepared for the next level at all.
Jones had his best year at State this year. Missou and then Arky are the best games I've seen him play at State, he absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage in both, to say he has regressed is laughable. He was recruited as a DE and has been molded into what will be an elite NFL DT. He hasn't gotten the exposure that some others have but not due to lack of development, the guy he split time with for 2 years is currently playing on Sunday's. You are smart enough to know the strides he had to make from playing as a 265 pound DE in rural MS to a 6'6" 305 pound SEC DT. You're also smart enough to know that he's going to have a much better pro career because of it.
I'm know you know football, I know you know that all recruits aren't created equal. Why then compare these kids from the middle of nowhere in MS to the most polished HS DL recruit maybe ever? They aren't playing the same game, they aren't the same projects.
Jones had his best year at State this year. Missou and then Arky are the best games I've seen him play at State, he absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage in both, to say he has regressed is laughable. He was recruited as a DE and has been molded into what will be an elite NFL DT. He hasn't gotten the exposure that some others have but not due to lack of development, the guy he split time with for 2 years is currently playing on Sunday's. You are smart enough to know the strides he had to make from playing as a 265 pound DE in rural MS to a 6'6" 305 pound SEC DT. You're also smart enough to know that he's going to have a much better pro career because of it.
I'm know you know football, I know you know that all recruits aren't created equal. Why then compare these kids from the middle of nowhere in MS to the most polished HS DL recruit maybe ever? They aren't playing the same game, they aren't the same projects.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:05 pm to skirpnasty
So what you are saying is Jones is such a stud and progressed so much under the watchful eyes of your NFL d velociraptor that he is leaving early?
All that can be said right now is it is a crap shoot where he ends up. I am biased, as are every poster on here, but I think the situation at Ole Miss is more promising right now and that has to impact the young mans perspective at least a tad bit.
All that can be said right now is it is a crap shoot where he ends up. I am biased, as are every poster on here, but I think the situation at Ole Miss is more promising right now and that has to impact the young mans perspective at least a tad bit.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:10 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Jones can leave early if he wants. I'm not sure what he will do but I think he should probably go. He's not falling beyond day 2, depends on what his combine numbers would be and what the DT draft is looking like next year.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:23 pm to skirpnasty
All I did was read your first sentence and had to stop. Dude... Perception= Reality. Does it matter that Saban has the most talent by a huge margin yet doesn't win the title every year and has put less guys in the league than Miles? No. He is still perceived as the guy who can get his players to the league because of what he does with 1st round three and gone kids. They could have gone to Alaska and be 3 and gone. Doesn't matter. Perception=reality.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:27 pm to Whereisomaha
You aren't gonna make any ground with him...
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:33 pm to skirpnasty
Chris Jones wasn't a project just because he flew under the radar for so long. He eventually got his fifth star because he dominated in just his second year of every playing ball being his senior year. The fact the RN improved each year when he was so "polished" (never played DT in his life) is more of a testament to OM's development. Chris was better than Rob as a freshman and had a terrible sophomore year with a junior year leaving him out of the first round while Robert was an AA last year and projected first rounder.
This whole development argument is so stupid. It's something y'all came up with to justify recruiting like shite. Y'all have crazy coaching turnover and y'all didn't invent the wheel. Balis or any other S&C isn't doing anything that any other competent program doesnt do. This is not Houston Nutt. That theory doesn't fit when the guy who is out recruiting you also can develop, evaluate, and run a competent, efficient program.
This whole development argument is so stupid. It's something y'all came up with to justify recruiting like shite. Y'all have crazy coaching turnover and y'all didn't invent the wheel. Balis or any other S&C isn't doing anything that any other competent program doesnt do. This is not Houston Nutt. That theory doesn't fit when the guy who is out recruiting you also can develop, evaluate, and run a competent, efficient program.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:39 pm to skirpnasty
Better woman at state.....
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:41 pm to skirpnasty
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First of all, the better women are at State
Big hell no and I go to State
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:44 pm to skirpnasty
If you grew up a fan of the Titanic and knew it was going to sink, would you still get on?
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