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re: X and O on how to stop JFF. What would consultants/coach types say
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:00 pm to MagicCityBlazer
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:00 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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Can J.F play effectively after running 200yds? 300yd?
I think I am following you, just let him run like 3 times up and down the field with our D kinda watching him then start playing D. My hunch, no.
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Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:02 pm to MWP
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I think I am following you, just let him run like 3 times up and down the field with our D kinda watching him then start playing D. My hunch, no.
No.
I am saying to do the basketball and take the pass and rb away and make him run for his yards.
Make him the offense and see if he can keep up with himself for the whole game.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:03 pm to r2d2
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Actually even last year and maybe even more so now JFF can flat out throw the ball. That is why he is so damm good. Otherwise every team would just put an athlete back there.
I think you have to go with a smaller faster lineup on D. Those big RBs may chunk some yards but you avoid the 1 minute scoring drives that spread Os live for.
That's why the passing catching ability of our bigger backs are crucial. Catch them on a screen and make something out of it... you're still going to score fast.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:07 pm to Moustache
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Except the Ags have a power back in Carson and Malena is stronger. Don't make us other LSU fans look like tards with this shittalking crap in a decent thread.
We did a great job once we switched to the Mustang package last year, but that shite won't work this year. Gonna have to disguise blitzes and basically do what Washington did to Philadelphia in the 2nd half of last night's game.
Disguise your blitzes. Have your DEs keep contain and play press with your CBs.
Agree with this.
Go with the 4-down lineman look and drop the DE(OLB) into coverage so JFF/OC doesn't check into a run play. Then, somebody needs to do a delayed blitz, but not the DL.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:42 pm to WreckingCrue
This is the best thread I've seen on the SEC Rant in a long time. Lots of good insight that I really agree with.
One reason why I am optimistic about this weekend is that mental lapses are going to happen with college kids. Nick Saban can understand what his team needs to do all he wants, but there is a ton of pressure on the DEs and linebackers to stay patient. They will make some mistakes, and you will see Saban screaming at them for it.
One thing that I will mention is the hook spin that Johnny uses to roll out of the pocket. It is almost identical every time. He usually drops straight back and rolls left (sometimes right) when the line pressure (no blitz) comes. If the DEs are patient, he will run right into them. I thought LSU did a tremendous job at this. If a DE can touch him, it will slow him down enough for a linebacker to finish the job.
One reason why I am optimistic about this weekend is that mental lapses are going to happen with college kids. Nick Saban can understand what his team needs to do all he wants, but there is a ton of pressure on the DEs and linebackers to stay patient. They will make some mistakes, and you will see Saban screaming at them for it.
One thing that I will mention is the hook spin that Johnny uses to roll out of the pocket. It is almost identical every time. He usually drops straight back and rolls left (sometimes right) when the line pressure (no blitz) comes. If the DEs are patient, he will run right into them. I thought LSU did a tremendous job at this. If a DE can touch him, it will slow him down enough for a linebacker to finish the job.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:49 pm to WreckingCrue
Like mentioned already, don't need a "spy", just have gap/lane discipline, set the edge and don't break and start chasing this guy all over the field.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:53 pm to Johnny B Goode
Not sure you guys have seen this, but this is an excellent article that breaks down what Alabama tried last year on defense and what they could try this year on defense. It's long but well worth it if you really want to dig deeper into this matchup.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 9/10/13 at 3:58 pm to elposter
That article is excellent. Honestly, the complexity of the Liz/Rip idea might be too much for the college level. My head was spinning trying to understand it (but I'm more of a visual person, and if it ain't on a whiteboard, I'm not gonna get it).
If Saban's Liz/Rip defense can play good assignment football, it'll be the best way to stop the aggie offense. That and have the 4 down line men shift to a 3 rush/1 spy front. I wouldn't sacrifice a LB to spy.
If Saban's Liz/Rip defense can play good assignment football, it'll be the best way to stop the aggie offense. That and have the 4 down line men shift to a 3 rush/1 spy front. I wouldn't sacrifice a LB to spy.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Isn't a nickel package with 4 down lineman the same thing as a 4-2-5? A nickel package with 3 down linemen would be a 3-3-5? LSU started in a 4-2-5 that game I'm pretty sure.
A nickel adds an extra corner, the 4-2-5 adds another SS. Supposedly able to drop down and cover an OLB job if desired or forced to by a HUNH. Slightly more versatile.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:04 pm to cokebottleag
He'll of a good discussion, gents. 
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:17 pm to Johnny B Goode
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Like mentioned already, don't need a "spy", just have gap/lane discipline, set the edge
Did this with Tebow and it worked well. Can't let the DE's overshoot him. Bring lots of blitzes from different angles.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:17 pm to Jobu93
Great thread guys - I wasn't actually expecting this.
One thing also is to realize JFF is going to make plays. I wonder if Saban is of the mind that every play should be stopped - and will lay into somebody every time?
This is excellent discussion. As good as Ive seen. And then - All of a sudden JFF will squirt through for 22.
BTW - I was in rehab just now for my head injury and a kid was getting his knee worked on. Plays in a texas district maybe 7-4a? Anyway said kid he played against is DT at Bama now. Didn't know there was a central Texas Guy on the DL.
One thing also is to realize JFF is going to make plays. I wonder if Saban is of the mind that every play should be stopped - and will lay into somebody every time?
This is excellent discussion. As good as Ive seen. And then - All of a sudden JFF will squirt through for 22.
BTW - I was in rehab just now for my head injury and a kid was getting his knee worked on. Plays in a texas district maybe 7-4a? Anyway said kid he played against is DT at Bama now. Didn't know there was a central Texas Guy on the DL.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:20 pm to WreckingCrue
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I was in rehab just now for my head injury
That explains the level-headedness coming from an LSU fan. You should stop going to rehab.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:25 pm to WreckingCrue
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Didn't know there was a central Texas Guy on the DL.
We got a O-Lineman from the Woodlands (Chad Lyndsey I think) not sure about a D-Lineman.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:26 pm to MWP
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We got a O-Lineman from the Woodlands (Chad Lyndsey I think) not sure about a D-Lineman
"The"Sean Robinson?
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:28 pm to cokebottleag
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That and have the 4 down line men shift to a 3 rush/1 spy front. I wouldn't sacrifice a LB to spy.
I just don't know how this can be effective. Does anyone really think a D-lineman can contain Manziel in the open field? Mosley whiffed on him a few times last year and Mosley is an absolutely ridiculous athlete. I do think he looks a bit slower with the added bulk this year but I still don't see how this is a good idea.
Also if you only rush 3 you are going to have a really hard time getting any pressure. No matter how good and disciplined a defense is, you need some sort of pressure on the QB or he will eventually pick you apart. We saw that when OU was trying to drop 9 into coverage in the Cotton Bowl.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:28 pm to cokebottleag
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A nickel adds an extra corner, the 4-2-5 adds another SS. Supposedly able to drop down and cover an OLB job if desired or forced to by a HUNH. Slightly more versatile.
Ah. So they had an third corner, not a third safety? I thought they had the third safety playing in the box, not a corner?
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:34 pm to cokebottleag
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A nickel adds an extra corner, the 4-2-5 adds another SS.
that's called a heavy nickel and is pretty common with a hybrid OLB/S. TCU and Rice generally run a heavy nickel as their base package. When people say 4-2-5 they often mean heavy nickel but it's not necessary. It's like saying Coke when you mean Dr. Pepper. 4-2-5 could mean either. Heavy nickel is the DP.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:47 pm to Mizzou to my Lou
Back in the day of the option.....Plant him! Every play!
Posted on 9/10/13 at 4:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Ah. So they had an third corner, not a third safety? I thought they had the third safety playing in the box, not a corner?
Nickel adds another coverage guy and could be one in the same player since most teams aren't carrying an arse load of DB types on the 83.
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