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Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:20 pm to Monticello
quote:"If we make this, i can go to Texas with a clean conscience"
WTF was Saban thinking kicking that FG?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:22 pm to Monticello
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That was horrible coaching by Bama. Plain horrible.
sounds like a reasonable conclusion
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:33 pm to Monticello
I'm not sure about his player development for player skills but here at Lsu he wasn't very good at game management he lost a couple of games for us, ESPN has done his recruiting as long as he has been at Bama that's my assessment of him !
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:39 pm to narddogg81
LSU did it last year Auburn paid attention, sabin should have !
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Not exactly. It's about recognizing the situation, being prepared, and making a good decision. If Saban and the staff had been alert, they would have easily seen that there was no way in hell that the FG would be blocked because Auburn didn't have the personnel on the field to block it. Could have easily read the situation, audibled, taken a knee, and gone to OT
bullshite. If you take a knee there and lose in OT you would completely be second guessing that shite saying that he should have tried the FG because only 3 times in 47 years has a missed FG been returned and don't try to deny it
The reality is you need more blocking firepower on the field on a long FG because of the lower trajectory it's easier to block.
We're talking about a fricking FG here man, it's one of the least riskly plays Saban could have done in that moment.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:57 pm to SouthdownsTiger
That was Bear Bryant's walk ons! 
Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:57 pm to ironsides
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bullshite. If you take a knee there and lose in OT you would completely be second guessing that shite saying that he should have tried the FG because only 3 times in 47 years has a missed FG been returned and don't try to deny it
The reality is you need more blocking firepower on the field on a long FG because of the lower trajectory it's easier to block.
We're talking about a fricking FG here man, it's one of the least riskly plays Saban could have done in that moment.
Thank God someone gets it. All these "coaches" in this thread who are so brilliant about the situation would have been the very first to jump on him if he had put in faster defenders and the kick was blocked.
One of the things I hate about how people communicate today is that everyone is a "genius" or an "idiot", mostly based on 20/20 hindsight by people who have no clue what they are evaluating.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:01 pm to Monticello
I only read the first few posts in this thread. If we're discussing bacon or something now on page 7, pardon my reply below:
From all reports Griffith has a big leg. I don't think Saban ever expected him to leave it SO short that it was returnable.
From all reports Griffith has a big leg. I don't think Saban ever expected him to leave it SO short that it was returnable.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:04 pm to Crimson Legend
quote:The funny thing is you're doing the same thing. You're calling all the ones that don't say Saban made the best call an "idiot".
One of the things I hate about how people communicate today is that everyone is a "genius" or an "idiot", mostly based on 20/20 hindsight by people who have no clue what they are evaluating.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:15 pm to Rabern57
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The funny thing is you're doing the same thing. You're calling all the ones that don't say Saban made the best call an "idiot".
What a stretch.
First, I didn't call anyone an idiot. I did say MOSTLY by people who have no clue what they are evaluating. The fact that someone does not understand the intricate aspects of a particular subject does not make him an idiot.
I also didn't in any way indicate that everyone must see Saban's decision my way. I think it was the right call, but you can disagree with that assessment and you may well be right. My only issue is how some people are acting like it's so OBVIOUS and only an IDIOT would do what he did.
You read quite a bit into my comment to come to the conclusion that you did. My one assumption was that many of those criticizing "have no clue what they are evaluating". This is an assumption, there's is no way I can know this. But I'd love to have someone bet against my assertion.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:21 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So in the only three big games where we actually needed him to help win a game, he failed.
This was Foster's problem. I posted it in other threads, but it is worth repeating.
From 2011-2013, Alabama had 6 games where they lost the game or won it by a touchdown or less. In those games, Foster was 2-10 for a blistering 20%. In all other games during his Alabama career, he was 23-34 for a respectable 68%.
The only thing more reliable than the sun rising in the east was Cade Foster choking in the clutch.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:31 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Shelley was good for short range only. And 21/27 isn't very good considering that he was a short range kicker. The fact that we had to use two kickers is evidence of the weakness I'm talking about.
Shelley was 80% for his career. Shelley attempted 9 FGs 40+yds.
Having two kickers shows weakness? Never heard that as such an absolute statement before. I'll just simply disagree.
quote:So he missed some FG's that were 44-55 yrd attempts? Sounds avg for a college kicker. He was also 4-6 in 50+ yrd attempts the last two years. Last year he missed one FG going into the last game of the season, I'll take that any day. Would have had one more make in AU game without the OL jumping.
In 2012 Foster missed at least 5 FGs from 44 and beyond,
I'll be more than satisfied if this year's kickers can do as well as Mandell, Foster and Shelley.
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Saban passed on a FGs from 52, 53, 54, and 56 and elected to punt.
Didn't you criticize Saban for attempting the 57 yarder? It's all about games situations. If you are in control of the game, why bother attempting a long FG
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:35 pm to bona fide
I guess he was trying to win the game 
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:41 pm to Crimson Legend
quote:Most people are not calling each other Idiots. They're just arguing over which call should've been made. I said before I would've kicked the FG if he was hitting them from 60 in practice, like Saban said but that I would've setup to cover the return on a kick that long.
I also didn't in any way indicate that everyone must see Saban's decision my way. I think it was the right call, but you can disagree with that assessment and you may well be right. My only issue is how some people are acting like it's so OBVIOUS and only an IDIOT would do what he did.
I think most are more upset that he didn't make any effort to cover the return and not so much him kicking the FG.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:49 pm to Rabern57
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some people are acting like it's so OBVIOUS and only an IDIOT would do what he did.
and
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Most people are not calling each other Idiots.
can both be true.
I can understand why many reasonable people think it was the wrong call, and I agree we should have prepared for what happened.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:00 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:00 pm to parkjas2001
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He knew AU wins if it goes OT
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:02 pm to parkjas2001
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He knew AU wins if it goes OT
With AU's defense?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:09 pm to cas4t
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21/27 is not very good for a Bama kicker unless those 6 misses were all likr 45+ out.
Bama kickers never miss the
ones that don't matter.
If we're up by 35 early in the 4th
we'll hit a 57 yd FG with extra leg to spare.
20 yard clutch kick with
everything all on the line?
It's short or wide..
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