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re: Why are LSU folks so confident about having a championship team in 2016?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:20 pm to Sid E Walker
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:20 pm to Sid E Walker
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Bama, OM, and the Pigs are almost guaranteed losses.
??? We have beaten Ole Miss every other year since Hugh has been there don't be a MORON and act like they own us!
Bert matches Les's style well but after what they did to us at home stomping on the eye of the tiger, and now that we have a smarter defensive coordinator will recruit a bigger DL the Hawgs cover stupid TE crossing routes, and stop the run.
If LSU beats Bama this year you'll probably assume "oh no Saban is getting too old!" No it's just we have some new coaching blood pushing Miles to adapt, and our 1st upper class quarterback in 3 seasons.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:20 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The intelligent ones I have talked to have not said this at all. They realize they have a 4-5 loss team at best.
That's precious. Les has had 2 five loss teams and 1 four loss team since he's been here and this is one of the most experienced teams he's ever had. This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:25 pm to Sid E Walker
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DC that had 59 points hung on him in his last championship game
Bama had the best athletes in the country on defense and Ohio State put up 42 on you Gumps!
Aranda had 1/3 of the talent at Wisky that he will have at LSU. Silly Gump stats are for smart people!
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:26 pm to Lsuchs
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All of our 2011 stars contributed on what was a frustrating 2010 team
Gotcha. How many of 2015's D were first year starters and/or freshmen? I really don't know, but those would be the players I'd expect to get the biggest "jump" simply due to experience. Largely due to settling into the "speed of the game" difference between HS and NCAA.
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Harris is/was a great "prospect" too.
#3 DT QB, but to my recollection was always seen as a *bigger* threat running the ball or at the very least, moving from the pocket and making plays happen from scrambles. Will never claim to know more about an LSU player than a fan, just what I recall from recruiting.
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Metts 2012 mirrored Harris' 2014 in almost every way...great arm, frustrating to watch, full of potential.
Really? I didn't watch every LSU game, but the ones I did, I never saw much there.
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is it likely Harris makes the same jump? not really, But it's possible. And it's also not likely he doesn't improve at all
I'd agree with this assessment. But I do think it takes a pretty sizable improvement in QB play to have a legit shot at a ship. Could obviously be wrong, as it's just one dude's opinion. If everything *else* goes perfectly, could probably survive with minimal improvement to Harris, but perfection is damn difficult to achieve.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:27 pm to joshua2571
quote:Maybe Les getting totted off the field in the wake of the aTm victory shook him up so much that he will actually step away and let his OC take the offensive reigns? We'll see.
The word around baton rouge is that Miles is mixing up his offense scheme. I find it hard to believe that but if they do go to a spread look, they might be alright
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:29 pm to fibonaccisquared
Dude did you not see the difference in the 2014 and 2015 Alabama defense? Why was they so much better? (I'm not saying LSU's defense will be as good as last years Alabama defense.)
Returning starters and quality experienced depth.
Returning starters and quality experienced depth.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:30 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:39 pm to Jenar Boy
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Dude did you not see the difference in the 2014 and 2015 Alabama defense
Duuuude. Did you not read my previous comment about returning experience being *more valuable* when there isn't a big change in coaching. 2014 and 2015 Bama still had Nick Saban (defensive minded HC) and Kirby Smart (DC) - so no wholesale changes in philosophy, terminology, scheme, etc... Or in other words, the learning from the previous season was cumulative. With a change at DC, it doesn't make that experience "worthless", but I do think it makes it "worth less". Similarly for UGA this year, while we've got a fair amount of returning talent on D, I have a sneaking suspicion that the defense may regress a bit, at least early on.
LSU fans on this forum are great. I've explicitly stated that I actually think you'll have a strong team this year, and you want to nitpick. It's not like I said you'd lose to Moo State or anything. So sensitive.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:50 pm to Lsuchs
BTW... 
for actually having a discussion rather than getting your panties in a bunch. It's a rare treat on tRant these days.
It's amazing that all the LSU fans I meet IRL are awesome. Not sure if it's the internet or just the selection, but this board does not put the "typical LSU fan" in a great light. I always assume it's a combination of both internet bravado and sheer volume for you guys though.
for actually having a discussion rather than getting your panties in a bunch. It's a rare treat on tRant these days. It's amazing that all the LSU fans I meet IRL are awesome. Not sure if it's the internet or just the selection, but this board does not put the "typical LSU fan" in a great light. I always assume it's a combination of both internet bravado and sheer volume for you guys though.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
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#3 DT QB, but to my recollection was always seen as a *bigger* threat running the ball or at the very least, moving from the pocket and making plays happen from scrambles. Will never claim to know more about an LSU player than a fan, just what I recall from recruiting.
It's hard to follow others schools classes closely.
Harris was ranked highly bc of his arm though. He was never a run first guy but he can scramble, which is why he was rated dual threat. He wasn't ranked highly due to his running ability.
Hes had struggles with accuracy and going through progressions which will come with experience.
He can make every throw though and has an NFL caliber arm. Only QB on the roster that can be said for, similar to when mett was here.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:16 pm to AjaxFury
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You know damn well why.
History means nothing to this season, unless you want to say this class is hungrier than ever.
The talent LSU returns > Bama's this year since we finally don't lose 1/2 our team to the draft.
Law of averages: you're not getting lucky prayers like JC Copeland fumbles in your end zone, or desperation tosses to the flat late in the 4th qtr to your RB on 3rd & Chavis.
I have more, but will let you digest that before you get sea sick on your bubba Gump shrimp boat
Oh my God, the swamp kittens actually think LSU is going to be good this year. This is adorable.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:18 pm to Lsuchs
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Why are LSU folks so confident about having a championship team in 2016?
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#3 DT QB, but to my recollection was always seen as a *bigger* threat running the ball or at the very least, moving from the pocket and making plays happen from scrambles. Will never claim to know more about an LSU player than a fan, just what I recall from recruiting.
It's hard to follow others schools classes closely.
Harris was ranked highly bc of his arm though. He was never a run first guy but he can scramble, which is why he was rated dual threat. He wasn't ranked highly due to his running ability.
Hes had struggles with accuracy and going through progressions which will come with experience.
He can make every throw though and has an NFL caliber arm. Only QB on the roster that can be said for, similar to when mett was here.
Just because someone can throw the ball 60 yards that doesn't mean they have an NFL caliber arm.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Just because someone can throw the ball 60 yards that doesn't mean they have an NFL caliber arm.
It does actually, as long as he has the velocity on his intermediate throws too. It means he can hit every route an NFL team would call (like a deep out far hash), and with the velocity to call against NFL coverage.
And if he doesn't make it in the league it isn't bc of his arm.
Obviously there is a lot more to being an NFL QB than arm talent.,
NFL caliber arm and NFL caliber QB are completely different things.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:25 pm to Lsuchs
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Hes had struggles with accuracy and going through progressions which will come with experience.
He can make every throw though and has an NFL caliber arm
I'd agree about the arm *strength* actually. I've seen him rocket some balls (off the mark), so he can definitely launch one when he wants. Decision making and accuracy do often come with experience, but I don't believe that Harris and Mett are at the same place in that department, thus my doubt that he would make the same jump. Again, possible, but improbable.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:30 pm to fibonaccisquared
I hear you, but that's why I made the Mett 2012 comparison.
Mett looked the same as Harris last year. Could rocket the ball, but decision making and accuracy/anticipation were lacking
Mett was no where near the polished QB in 12 that you saw in Athens in 13. In 12 it was the same old "miles can't develop a QB/offense" narrative
Mett looked the same as Harris last year. Could rocket the ball, but decision making and accuracy/anticipation were lacking
Mett was no where near the polished QB in 12 that you saw in Athens in 13. In 12 it was the same old "miles can't develop a QB/offense" narrative
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:35 pm to fibonaccisquared
But you really have no idea if he is at the same place as Mett because we are just now going into his junior year. Mett didn't play at LSU until his junior year. There is literally not enough evidence to tell because we didn't get to see Mett as a sophomore.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:37 pm to AjaxFury
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Law of averages: you're not getting lucky prayers like JC Copeland fumbles in your end zone, or desperation tosses to the flat late in the 4th qtr to your RB on 3rd & Chavis.
Let's examine this: The "lucky prayer" was Copeland fumbling in the 1st quarter of a 21-point blowout. The "desperation toss" was a screen pass and it was on a 2nd down. This is why I love you guys. This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:38 pm to AjaxFury
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You know damn well why
4 YEAR CYCLE!!! Duh.
Oh wait that was last year. Oops.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:39 pm to WG_Dawg
Bro, let the teams with championships in the last decade talk shite about the cycle. UGA is basically LSU but minus the hardware. Just sayin.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:43 pm to cas4t
Ouch
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