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re: Why are LSU folks so confident about having a championship team in 2016?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:03 am to joshua2571
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:03 am to joshua2571
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You are like Bruce Jenner or may I say Caitlin . You don't know what the hell you are.
At the end of the day, that's still better than being a fan of Mississippi State.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:05 am to joshua2571
Like I said that's another topic. The op was why are LSU folks so confident this year. Just stating why.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:12 am to threedog79
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This years team is the same.
See, this is not true on 3 huge fronts: 1)Aranda, 2)Veterans Returning, and 3)Offensive shift
These are actually landmark differences from years past. You can cite some chatter with Steele coming in, but fact is Aranda is a rockstar hire with the talent he has to work with.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:14 am to joshua2571
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Remember the last time LSU beat Alabama by the score of like 12-9 or something close. LSU meet Bama in the National Championship. Alabama skunked LSU 21-0. I think LSU crossed the 50 once and that was late in the contest. Point is that even when you do beat Bama, you are still bama's bitch. I don't see it playing out any different in 2016.
Know your role, anklebiter......back to being LSU's bitch. Scary thing is, LSU might drop MSU by 40+ this year.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:20 am to RB10
You sure about that? You know it's baseball season and State is in the top 8 in all polls. As high as #2 in a few. They are coming to Baton Rogue next werkend. I'm gonna be there Saturday night, you ought to stop by. I'm not going to be hard to find. I will be in the grandstand wearing my maroon shirt sitting beside my LSU wife. God help me. Hey, I will even buy you a beer.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:23 am to joshua2571
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You sure about that? You know it's baseball season and State is in the top 8 in all polls. As high as #2 in a few.
0 championships. I'm sure.
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They are coming to Baton Rogue next werkend. I'm gonna be there Saturday night, you ought to stop by. I'm not going to be hard to find. I will be in the grandstand wearing my maroon shirt sitting beside my LSU wife. God help me. Hey, I will even buy you a beer.
I just may. Should be a good series.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:26 am to RB10
We got A&M this weekend, hopefully we can take 2
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:30 am to AjaxFury
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the best 1-2 punch of RB in all of CFB
No matter how many times this gets stated, it doesn't make it accurate...
You can most certainly say that a healthy Fournette > less than 100% Chubb, but I'll still take Michel over Guice all day every day. Honestly, if you're saying 1-2 punch, I think Tennessee might have you with Hurd/Kamara as well.
Why not just say that you have "one of the best"... no one disputes that at all.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:37 am to Sid E Walker
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You have a HC and OC that you don't want, a DC that had 59 points hung on him in his last championship game, a meh QB, an O-line that melts against real competition, and a light D. Fournette can't win it by himself.
Bama, OM, and the Pigs are almost guaranteed losses.
I see a 4th place finish in the West at best
Bc we actually return a bunch of players that would normally declare. The 2014 class are juniors this year. We are back to 2011/12 type draft talent on paper again finally. As many as 7 projected 1st rounders in 2017 vs 0 this year.
We return our starting QB, which minus Jefferson has meant an increase in production (see mett)
Our OC has shown he can have a great offense here with an experienced QB. 2013 we had a 3000yd passer, 2 1000 yd receivers, and 1000yd rusher for 1st time in SEC history. We have similar talent this year
Our defense actually isn't light at all anymore.
Our DC did give up 59 points with his Wisconsin 3 stars, then a few weeks later Saban gave up 42 to that same team with 5 stars all over the 1 and 2 deep.
Not to mention Aranda had a top 5 defense every year at Wisconsin, can't help but expect an improved LSU defense.
I personally don't think it's a given we will win the west by any means, but we've done it our fare share and this year looks as good as any coming into the season. We will see
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:40 am to joshua2571
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We got A&M this weekend, hopefully we can take 2
I predicted a series win for State.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:43 am to CharlesLSU
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This years team is the same.
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Veterans Returning
I mean, there is something to be said for experience, but to return 17/22, you by and large have the same fricking team. I'm not sure why that seems to be a difficult concept. Doesn't mean they'll play the same, but to expect wholesale changes in 1 year with the same head coach and very little changing in the way of starters or even the 2 deep, it just seems kind of silly.
Additionally, where is this "offensive shift" coming from? Did Brandon Harris magically become a skilled passer in a matter of a few months? I keep seeing it, but not certain I understand where it's coming from. "Enlight" me.
I don't even disagree that LSU has a good chance at contending this year, but as many others have stated over and over again, it almost certainly will come down to how well can Harris play. No one questions Fournette's abilities, but you already saw what happens when he faces an elite defensive front and safeties that dgaf about your receivers since they would never see the ball. If Harris can even complete ~5-10 "downfield passes" per game (let's say 15yd or more in the air?) I think you've got a good chance at keeping defenses honest, which makes you a bigger threat, otherwise, I'd expect probably a 1 game improvement over last year?
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:51 am to fibonaccisquared
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mean, there is something to be said for experience, but to return 17/22, you by and large have the same fricking team.
We had a rough 2010 (Tennessee game anybody) and lost the best players on every level of that D.
Pretty much the same team from 10 to 11, but we dominated the college football regular season in 11.
Mett from 12 to 13 was night and day. If Harris makes half that jump and Aranda does to our defense what he has done at every stop why can't this be a much better team all of the sudden?
This defense is loaded, just needed a top level DC.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:53 am to RB10
Our ace got roughed up a little bit by Florida. He actually only had 1 bad inning but that inning was enough. I don't seeing him having back to back outing like that. This year we can finally hit and get timely hits at that
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:59 am to Lsuchs
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lost the best players on every level of that D.
Pretty much the same team from 10 to 11
Not sure I followed that. Meaning that in 10 most of them were brand new starters?
In 2015, how many brand new starters on D? In 2011 did you have the same defensive coordinator from the year prior? (honest question, don't feel like looking it up) Generally speaking, big upticks in production for veteran players come because of familiarity with scheme. That's not to say that a drastic improvement in coaching can't help, but I'm not certain that in year 1 for Aranda, that you can rely on experience to be the cause for improvement.
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Mett from 12 to 13 was night and day. If Harris makes half that jump
If Harris makes half that jump, he'll still be a mediocre at best QB. Mettenberger is/was a great QB prospect. Harris, to me, seems to be more of an athlete. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me respect him as a QB. That's not to say that he can't improve, I just don't see why everyone is supposed to take that leap and say "yep, this is his year."
I understand that LSU fans will. Hell, this time of year everything is sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns across all the schools. Fans take all news as good news. Just seems odd that LSU fans are surprised that not everyone is willing to take that leap with them.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
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fibonaccisquared
Are you seriously struggling with why LSU fans are optimistic that the team will improve with 17 returning starters?
ETA: Not even mentioning the returning depth behind them.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:03 pm to RB10
I think his struggles are related to other issues.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:08 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Not sure I followed that. Meaning that in 10 most of them were brand new starters?
All of our 2011 stars contributed on what was a frustrating 2010 team. That 2010 team lost Patrick Peterson, kelvin Shepard, and drake Nevis.
The 2011 defense ended up as dominant as we've had here, along with 2003 team.
Yes chavis was DC both years.
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Harris makes half that jump, he'll still be a mediocre at best QB. Mettenberger is/was a great QB prospect. Harris, to me, seems to be more of an athlete. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me respect him as a QB.
Harris is/was a great "prospect" too. Metts 2012 mirrored Harris' 2014 in almost every way...great arm, frustrating to watch, full of potential.
is it likely Harris makes the same jump? not really, But it's possible. And it's also not likely he doesn't improve at all
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:17 pm to RB10
No. Seems that you might be struggling with reading comprehension.
I *did* mention the returning depth behind them.
I simply started out by commenting that it was interesting that you return almost all the same players but an LSU fan was offended by a comment that said "same team"... when in essence it IS by and large the same team. That's all.
My comments are in no way related to the OP "topic". I have no issues understanding why you might be optimistic. Same as every other program being optimistic. Spring is the time of new beginnings and optimism... well for most teams.
I *did* mention the returning depth behind them.
I simply started out by commenting that it was interesting that you return almost all the same players but an LSU fan was offended by a comment that said "same team"... when in essence it IS by and large the same team. That's all.
My comments are in no way related to the OP "topic". I have no issues understanding why you might be optimistic. Same as every other program being optimistic. Spring is the time of new beginnings and optimism... well for most teams.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:19 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I simply started out by commenting that it was interesting that you return almost all the same players but an LSU fan was offended by a comment that said "same team"... when in essence it IS by and large the same team. That's all.
Ah, so you're just being a douche. Much better.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:19 pm to Sid E Walker
The intelligent ones I have talked to have not said this at all. They realize they have a 4-5 loss team at best. 
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