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re: USA Today Reports 2013 Athletics Revenues for each School

Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:50 pm to
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UT has the largest BB arena in that group at 24K


I think you meant UK not UT, as Cats have the biggest in the SEC and the second biggest in the USA (Syracuse has the Carrier Dome for football and basketball)

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I said "The schools with the highest capacity of each of those combined".


UT has 102.5K for football
UT has 21.5K for M basketball
UT has 21.5K for W basketball

Viewed another way
UT has 102.5 for football
UT has 43K (combined) for basketball

Unless UK adds 50K to their football
OR
LSU / Bama / TAMU build 20K - 25K basketball stadium, the Vols are the only ones with such massive capacity and it would be damned hard for any school to catch them as no other school excels well enough at the Big 3 (CFB, MBB, and WBB) to catch them. Look I have watched games at Box and know they can draw crowds, but I have also been to Rupp and seen the dollars those seats pull.

The day the row behind the Tiger dugout can sell seats for 1 million each (which they can do for seats behind the bench in Rupp) I will not consider baseball capacity as equal to or greater than basketball capacity.
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:52 pm to
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Uga played two ooc opponents on the road in addition to playing in aub for the second year in a row due to expansion, thus putting a huge dent in their revenue by losing out on what would have been 3 home games worth of cash.



you had 6.5 home games like you do every year
Posted by TheRookbird
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:58 pm to
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If Im not mistaken they all include donations in total revenue. the foundations are a part of the AD's


In most cases they are operated as completely separate entities. But there are differing levels between the programs. Hence why it's not really a great comparison.
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:00 pm to
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In most cases they are operated as completely separate entities. But there are differing levels between the programs.


Exactly. That is where we hide most of our money so we can sneak up on you frickers.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:03 pm to
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That is where we hide most of our money so we can sneak up on you frickers.


Until you cough up dough for a W Gymnastics you will not be SEC serious.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:04 pm to
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I will not consider baseball capacity as equal to or greater than basketball capacity


LSU baseball sells more tickets in a year than all but two basketball teams, Syracuse and Louisville.

Both Syracuse and Louisville are the only basketball teams to sell over 400K tickets in a year. LSU baseball is the only team to sell over 400K tickets in a year.

Again, combined total stadium capacity.

100k football stadiums, as of this year: Texas A&M, UT, UA, LSU. Arkansas has 77K capacity. UK will have 71K.

20K BB arenas: UK, UT, Arky. UA 12K, LSU & TAMU 11k

10k baseball stadiums, LSU, Arky, OM, USCe, Miss. ST. TAMU has about 6K. UT & UA around 5K-5.5K. UK has about 4K.

So the schools with the highest combined stadium capacity are UT, LSU, TAMU, UA, and Arky.

Big drop off in total combined stadium capacity after that group.

This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:11 pm to
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Until you cough up dough for a W Gymnastics you will not be SEC serious.



Equestrian fool
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:15 pm to
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In most cases they are operated as completely separate entities. But there are differing levels between the programs. Hence why it's not really a great comparison.



correct they operate independently, however their financial reporting and revenue/expenditures run through the AD
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:21 pm to
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TigersOfGeauxld


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USA Today Reports 2013 Athletics Revenues for each School


Note word in OP that has been marked in BOLD and underlined!

Rupp seats 24K
YUM seats 22K

While seating 2K less, YUM revenue dwarfs Rupp as they sell booze AND have lots of luxury boxes.

Lets say LSU baseball sold 400K and UK played 20 homes games like Syracuse and Louisville did to pass 400K (24K seats x 20 games = 480K)

480K (men only) > 400K for LSU baseball
480K (men) + 120K Women) = 600K

600K > 400K


I think the year you are using for UK they only played 15 home games and not 20, or their numbers would be closer or surpass UL and SU
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:22 pm to
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Equestrian fool


TAMU already has equestrian, they do not have W Gymnastics.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:26 pm to
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Note word in OP that has been marked in BOLD and underlined!


Which is why LSU's baseball revenues are relevant.

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I think the year you are using for UK they only played 15 home games and not 20, or their numbers would be closer or surpass UL and SU


Neither UK or UT basketball has ever eclipsed the 400K mark in ticket sales. LSU baseball routinely does this.

I cited the combined stadium capacity as evidence of why these schools have the revenue they do.

Edit: You bring up a good point I didn't even touch on in my posts...premium seats.

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While seating 2K less, YUM revenue dwarfs Rupp as they sell booze AND have lots of luxury boxes.


LSU has more total premium seating than anyone in terms of football, and has the 2nd most in baseball to Arkansas. LSU basketball has limited premium seating, no suites. But if you look at the number of premium seating available across football, basketball, and baseball, LSU would be behind only Arkansas, and ahead of everyone else in the conference.



This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted by TheRookbird
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:26 pm to
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correct they operate independently, however their financial reporting and revenue/expenditures run through the AD


TAF is a private non-profit. TAF owns most of the facilities and has around 300 million in assets. They also own all of the scoreboards and sponsorship revenue goes to TAF, not the AD. They also own the University Club which they lease to an LLC who runs the actual club and receive a percentage of revenue in return, again not through the AD. I'm sure you can find situations like that exist to a larger or smaller degree for every single AD in the country.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:27 pm
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:27 pm to
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TAF is a private non-profit. TAF owns most of the facilities and has around 300 million in assets. They also own all of the scoreboards and sponsorship revenue goes to TAF, not the AD. They also own the University Club which they lease to an LLC who runs the actual club and receive a percentage of revenue in return, again not through the AD.



And Auburn does the same with TUF, and these rankings the fundraising revenues/expenditures and everything else are included

Ive seen the finical reporting first hand
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:34 pm to
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LSU baseball sells more tickets in a year than all but two basketball teams, Syracuse and Louisville.

Both Syracuse and Louisville are the only basketball teams to sell over 400K tickets in a year. LSU baseball is the only team to sell over 400K tickets in a year.


If what you claim is true, ignoring that LSU baseball plays more home games then the basketball schools play total, you should be able to show that LSU baseball brings in more revenue than any of the top basketball earners.

It doesn't, because ticket sales is a small part of the revenue stream.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:35 pm to
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Neither UK or UT basketball has ever eclipsed the 400K mark in ticket sales.


I am going to go out on a limb here and say UK and UT sell this every year in their basketball venues.

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Which is why LSU's baseball revenues are relevant.


Here is where your argument fails

a) Do the seats behind the Tigers dugout sell for 1,000,000?
b) How many games in Box sell seats for 2,000 per game?
c) How many nosebleed Box seats sell for 500 bucks per game?

UK has venue revenues NBA teams would love to have
LSU can not make the same value comparison for MLB teams with Box.
Posted by TheRookbird
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:36 pm to
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And Auburn does the same with TUF, and these rankings the fundraising revenues/expenditures and everything else are included

Ive seen the finical reporting first hand


You have seen the financial reporting first hand of every school on this list?

I guarantee you that EVERY single school handles the accounting between their independent athletic foundation differently. Believe it or not, it's the truth. Read some of Kristi Dosh's accounts of both the flaws in this database and looking at the financials for different athletic foundations in the SEC.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:42 pm to
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say UK and UT sell this every year in their basketball venues.


Never. Only Syracuse and Louisville basketball have sold more than 400K tickets in a year. LSU baseball is the baseball team to sell 400k tickets in a year...more than every basketball team save the two mentioned.

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Here is where your argument fails


Except it doesn't. LSU's Alex Box Stadium has 27 suites, second only to Arkansas' Baum Stadium at 34 suites.

The total amount of premium seating available to LSU among all sports facilities is greater than that of either UT or UK.

It's not rocket science.

Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:43 pm to
The Lady Vols play in TB. 4 seats in the lower arena cost about 5 grand. This is women's basketball, not men's and represents 20% as cost of tickets (face value) and 80% (required ANNUAL donation) hidden cost. That is just the lower sidelines in TB which probably exceeds the total average seating in Box.

In short TB is more valuable for WBB than Box is for baseball. Add UT MBB on top of that and it blows LSU baseball away. How many seats in Box cost 1,250 per seat?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:51 pm to
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You have seen the financial reporting first hand of every school on this list?


not every school, but several from the SEC and a few others and they have matched up.

Like I said they do operate somewhat independently but in regards to this particular ranking revenue is pretty much standard across the board. Expenditures are far different though. However, some schools do garner revenue from some different streams, because of how they are setup. This is the same in business though and just another way to generate revenue. something the other schools/ad's could do, but choose not to because its just not worth it, as easy at this point, or not smart just from a general cash flow perspective.

There isnt ever going to be an exact apples to apples comparison, but some AD's have more capabilities. You cant detract from a ranking because someone can do it better or different. Thats the whole reason as to how and why they reach a certain number, the same number you are judging someone else.

For instance, compare Apple and Samsung as a whole or maybe even just a division. are you only going to compare latops of the same screen size, etc... when comparing their revenues or are you going to compare the entire product line.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:54 pm to
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In short TB is more valuable for WBB than Box is for baseball


Again, the total amount of premium seating available to LSU among all sports facilities is greater than that of every school in the SEC except Arkansas. Even our softball stadium has suites.

Which is why we have the revenue we have, and why we will be climbing this list next year with the addition to the football stadium.

I expect Alex Box Stadium will be expanded soon, with a focus on adding more suites. And since baseball plays more home games than basketball does, the suites at Alex Box will be used more.

Fun fact: LSU has more suites in our baseball stadium than either UT or UK has in their basketball and baseball facilities combined.



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