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re: USA Today Reports 2013 Athletics Revenues for each School

Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:35 am to
Posted by StopRobot
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:35 am to
What is "total subsidy"?
Posted by StopRobot
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:36 am to
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Tennessee has potential to have #1 revenue in the near future. No other school in the SEC or entire nation has top 7 attendance for both Football AND Basketball. Attendance will go up even higher when UT starts winning.


That will happen around the time Gruden finally signs his contract that he secretly agreed to two years ago.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:37 am to
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I'm surprised to see Arkansas so high.


Why?

The program profits in football, basketball, and baseball, does well with track and cross country, while having a low overhead in the other secondary sports.

Jimmy Dykes Salary means the slack is going to have to be picked up by his program and the big2 for the numbers to be in a similar fashion in the upcoming years.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:37 am to
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What is "total subsidy"?



money from the school to the AD. But subsidy in these reports is a very loose term. Many times its repayment for something like use of a facility or transfer of money for something like student gym fees etc...
Posted by StopRobot
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:40 am to
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money from the school to the AD. But subsidy in these reports is a very loose term. Many times its repayment for something like use of a facility or transfer of money for something like student gym fees etc...


So like if The University uses BDS for graduation ceremony they pay the AD a fee and they are counting that as revenue. Got ya
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:41 am to
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Wisconsin is seriously #2 in total revenue? I never would've guessed that.


Low salary for coaches combined with a decent run in football and making the final four in basketball.

Money isn't made from ticket sales, it is from donations and when either or both of the two sports everyone cares about is performing at a high level, schools see donations increase.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:42 am to
yeah that could be part of it. For some schools, the AD owns the land and leases the space to the school for a building/classroom or office space. much like commercial real estate.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:42 am to
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I would have guessed OSU or PSU


Yep, I was sure it was OSU when I saw the OP's list.

If you click on Wiscy, their contributions jumped from over $19K in 2012 to over 58K in 2013. Their expenses for the year were also over $146K in 2013. I'm wondering if they had some sort of fundraising for some sort of facilities upgrade or something like that.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:44 am to
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Low salary for coaches


would have nothing to do with revenue

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Money isn't made from ticket sales, it is from donations and when either or both of the two sports everyone cares about is performing at a high level, schools see donations increase.


Donations are not that big of a percentage as far as donations outside of ticket donations. Tickets sales are a very large percentage. And if you include the mandatory donations it becomes even larger.

For instance football alone for AU 87k seats @450 each is 39mil. Thats just football, no donation, non suites
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 8:47 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:45 am to
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I'm wondering if they had some sort of fundraising for some sort of facilities upgrade or something like that.



Im thinking some sort of investment or sale came to fruition
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:47 am to
Our AD knows how to maximize revenue. Plus, we're a three sport school as far as good attendance and ticket sales.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:48 am to
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Donations are not that big of a percentage as far as donations(outside of ticket donations) Tickets sales are a very large percentage. And if you include the mandatory donations it becomes even larger.


The tickets themselves contribute little, doing well in the sport driving up the demand for the ticket to necessitate season tickets to obtain them, and higher donations given to secure them if there is a waiting list for the tickets in the venue is where the money is made.

They also were paid a decent amount for the buyout of their coaching staff in football that would have showed up for last year, I believe.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:49 am to
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money from the school to the AD.


I thought Bama's $5k+ subsidy was pretty big...until I saw the $12K+ in UT's column.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:50 am to
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The tickets themselves contribute little,


Umm they contribute probably the largest percentage to revenue

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higher donations given to secure them if there is a waiting list for the tickets in the venue is where the money is made.


not as large as you think

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They also were paid a decent amount for the buyout of their coaching staff in football that would have showed up for last year, I believe.



would have nothing to do with revenue ETA, was this about Wisky?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 8:55 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:52 am to
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I thought Bama's $5k+ subsidy was pretty big...until I saw the $12K+ in UT's column.


UT has some funky accounting going on as well, because of state laws.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:52 am to
Or a debt reduction.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:56 am to
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Umm they contribute probably the largest percentage to revenue


Just looking at the list, aggy's home tickets in football have a face value twice of what Arkansas' tickets are, they also have a stadium that has a 10k plus more capacity, (twice of WMS where Arkansas played two of its home games last season) JFF sold that place out for two straight seasons, 7 spots behind Arkansas on the list.

Arkansas' attendance/ticket sales in basketball was good, not great.

Way more to it than just ticket sales.
Posted by Bob Ag
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:58 am to
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Aggies, if you can't pull in more money than Kentucky WITH Johnny Football, how can you ever hope to gain admittance into the Big 6?


Please don't worry about us.
We were top 10 on that list last year and will be again next year once the revenue from increased ticket sales and contributions due to Kyle Field renovation kick in.

Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:58 am to
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would have nothing to do with revenue ETA, was this about Wisky?


Yes, pretty sure a few schools writing checks for their former coaches in totaling a few million would show up as income for the school...
Posted by Bob Ag
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:02 am to
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Just looking at the list, aggy's home tickets in football have a face value twice of what Arkansas' tickets are, they also have a stadium that has a 10k plus more capacity, (twice of WMS where Arkansas played two of its home games last season) JFF sold that place out for two straight seasons, 7 spots behind Arkansas on the list.

Arkansas' attendance/ticket sales in basketball was good, not great.

Way more to it than just ticket sales.


Of course there is more to it, but ticket sales is easily the biggest contribution to revenue for everyone on that list.

Also, you generated more revenue from ticket sales because you have more premium seating. That will change soon.
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