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re: Rank the SEC Defensive Lines for 2016
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:11 pm to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:11 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Saban coach to implement a 3-4 style
LOL - everyone knew Dooley was taking the gamble of all gambles with Sal. I didn't think it would go THAT poorly, but he'd never been a coordinator before and the Saban scheme is incredibly difficult to teach and learn.
Aranda has been running defenses for a while now.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:13 pm to TTsTowel
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Auburn with Carl Lawson, Byron Cowart, Marlon Davidson, Paul James III, Jeff Holland, Montravius Adams, Dontavius Russell, Maurice Swain and Devaroe Lawrence in the initial rotation would have to be higher than #6, IMO.
Why?
Auburn was dead last in SEC play in sacks last season and 11th in stopping the run a season ago. Add to that you went and hired LSUs defensive coordinator.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm curious if LSU has a stuffer in the middle to open holes for their LB's to shoot through.
While Godchaux isn't the norm in size for a NT, I think he will be very effective. Something like the quick disrupter Chad Lavalais was (even though he was a 4-3 DT) if you know anything about him from the early 2000's for LSU.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:14 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Chad Lavalais was (even though he was a 4-3 DT) if you know anything about him from the early 2000's for LSU.
Oh, I remember him abusing our 3-star offensive linemen like it was yesterday.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:15 pm to Hawgeye
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Why? Auburn was dead last in SEC play in sacks last season and 11th in stopping the run a season ago. Add to that you went and hired LSUs defensive coordinator.
Yea, I mean, they have more players this year + a full year of Lawson. I expect them to be more disruptive and better against the run. However, Lawson is good against the run, but he isn't going to magically fix the run defense. So, they will be very good in pass rush and average to above average against the run. I think, in this league, that puts you about 5th-6th.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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9 games though compared to 8 for everyone else
No.
SEC only stats means, SEC only stats. Not SEC title game stats
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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LOL - everyone knew Dooley was taking the gamble of all gambles with Sal. I didn't think it would go THAT poorly, but he'd never been a coordinator before and the Saban scheme is incredibly difficult to teach and learn. Aranda has been running defenses for a while now.
I know it's a whole different situation, im sure UGA will be fine after a year or 2 of adjusting. Mostly just poking fun at my own team because the Dooley years were a horrible joke
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:17 pm to Hawgeye
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No. SEC only stats means, SEC only stats. Not SEC title game stats
Ha - you are right. I thought it was 9 because I glanced at the number and was looking at CFBStats number for Alabama and it looks the same. Well, that was because Florida only ran for 15 yards in the SECCG.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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average to above average against the run. I think, in this league, that puts you about 5th-6th.
So you think Arkansas will have a below average front, even though they return every LB from a season ago, 9/10 on the rotation up front, and again have the same DC?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Ha - you are right.
I know
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:18 pm to CCTider
quote:Which is awesome, because Alabama is damn near guaranteed to be one of the best run stopping teams in the country every single year
I feel pretty good about our pass rushers. I think it'll be our strength over run stopping.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Are you projecting for 2016 or basing the list off 2015? Little bit of both?
I expect Auburn to underachieve to an extent based on Kevin Steele being the defensive coordinator. As talented as the group is, I don't think they get where they could've been under Will Muschamp.
I expect Auburn to underachieve to an extent based on Kevin Steele being the defensive coordinator. As talented as the group is, I don't think they get where they could've been under Will Muschamp.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The same players plus the DC from the year before is still there
A lot depends on how much he tries to keep his hands in things. Another UT cautionary tale would be when Phil Fulmer hired Dave Clawson. Fulmer had been the HC at UT for 15 years and had run essentially the same system with both Cutcliffe and Sanders. Clawson comes in and tries to implement his "Clawfense", but Fulmer wasn't comfortable with it...so he let him implement only a portion of it while trying to blend it with the old UT offense. That is what wound up costing him his job.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:19 pm to Hawgeye
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So you think Arkansas will have a below average front, even though they return every LB from a season ago, 9/10 on the rotation up front, and again have the same DC?
I'm talking about Auburn.
I think Arkansas will be very good up front. I think everyone between 2-8ish is pretty hard to decifer between. The top 8 DL in the league could all be Top 20 units nationally. Lots of new pieces, pros and cons, etc.
Arkansas was very good against the run, but they were in the bottom half in sacks vs P5 teams. A&M was really good in pass rush, but was really bad against the run. Tennessee was bad early, but got better as the year went on in both and will have young guys a year older. LSU has a new scheme.
Lot of questions, but tons of talent and depth across the league.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:20 pm to dgnx6
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You said overall, not pass rush. So why is a team that can't stop the run in the top 4? No doubt tamu has some flash. But they usually struggle against teams that have good olines. They will struggle against LSU, Arkansas and Bama. Chavis D struggled against power teams at LSU.
There's more to run defense than just the front four. Our linebackers are just awful or injured or both. Doesn't mean the Dline isn't good.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:20 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Because 2016 =|= 2015.
Why?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:21 pm to TTsTowel
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Are you projecting for 2016 or basing the list off 2015? Little bit of both?
Trying to mesh the two together.
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I expect Auburn to underachieve to an extent based on Kevin Steele being the defensive coordinator. As talented as the group is, I don't think they get where they could've been under Will Muschamp.
I think they should be pretty good, very good against the pass. I think Adams has been pretty underachieving relative to his potential, especially against the rush. Auburn certainly have a wealth of bodies to throw out there, though. They really don't have any excuse to not be a Top 3-4 sack team and a Top half of the league rush D group.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:21 pm to Bama Eric
I'd wait and see if the dl coach does a better job before I say that
Hasn't been too much development going on lately
Hasn't been too much development going on lately
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:22 pm to Hawgeye
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Auburn with Carl Lawson, Byron Cowart, Marlon Davidson, Paul James III, Jeff Holland, Montravius Adams, Dontavius Russell, Maurice Swain and Devaroe Lawrence in the initial rotation would have to be higher than #6, IMO.
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Why? Auburn was dead last in SEC play in sacks last season and 11th in stopping the run a season ago. Add to that you went and hired LSUs defensive coordinator.
Of those TT's listed 5 weren't on the dline last year. So we're returning some good experience and adding 4 or 5 pieces.
Carl Lawson was injured
Byron Cowart was true freshman
Marlon Davidson wasn't on the team
Paul James III wasn't on the team
Jeff Holland was a LB
I agree somewhere between 4 and 6 preseason is a good spot for AU Dline.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:22 pm to madmaxvol
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A lot depends on how much he tries to keep his hands in things. Another UT cautionary tale would be when Phil Fulmer hired Dave Clawson. Fulmer had been the HC at UT for 15 years and had run essentially the same system with both Cutcliffe and Sanders. Clawson comes in and tries to implement his "Clawfense", but Fulmer wasn't comfortable with it...so he let him implement only a portion of it while trying to blend it with the old UT offense. That is what wound up costing him his job.
I think defensive line play is a little less reliant on play calling and scheme than the entire offense. Just my opinion.
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