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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:36 am to UAtide11
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:36 am to UAtide11
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This is the same guy who, when all the people of the earth were getting along and speaking the same language and united for a common cause, came down and scattered them across the earth, confused their languages, and created the origin of conflict because he was jealous.
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But I'm sure someone will come along to say 'He works in mysterious ways'
The Tower of Babel? Did you forget or just decide to ignore this part?
with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves;
Man has tried to put themselves above God forever. I'm sure you wouldn't understand why this was not good....I mean, man has always had nothing but the best of intentions, right?
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Dude. Wikipedia? Your source on the Bible is Wikipedia? You couldn't even go to the Bible?
Man has never gotten along with themselves, and nowhere does it say God destroyed their efforts because he was jealous. You can't make it up as you go.
Also, language is not the original source of conflict.
If language were the problem we would all be getting along now with all the translators etc.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 9:42 am
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:39 am to Covingtontiger77
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I am and will always be leery of those that wear their religion on their sleeve and are so public about their faith. Those are the people that usually end up being full of shite the most.
I agree 100%. I grew up in a southern baptist church being taught only one way which was the "right way" and it made me a really close-minded person. I really didn't know any better. As I grew up, I began to realize that many of those people who were teaching me these things were just full of shite. Especially two years ago when the man I looked up to for all my life basically destroyed my family. I believe I am a better person today because of it, and am now very open-minded on situations we face on a daily basis.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:43 am to Covingtontiger77
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Why does one that espouse Christianity and living for God somehow forget a major tenant of the faith seemingly so easily...though shall not lie? Then undoubtedly once caught you always see said person further espousing their Christian faith in an effort to beg for forgiveness as though they just lost their way.
So what would you rather him do?
Are you a follower of Christ?
Or are you just an onlooker hoping he is a fraud?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:47 am to Freezus22
what do you mean by open minded?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:48 am to HottyToddy7
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So what would you rather him do?
Stop lying to people.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:50 am to Crowknowsbest
You are making the assumption that he knew he was lying when he said he didn't know if these players were bought.
Your assumption is assuming other things that may or may not be true to confirm what you want which is him being a fraud.
From everything I have seen, he has been naive. Very very naive, but not a fraud even though everyone else in the conference wants him to be one.
Your assumption is assuming other things that may or may not be true to confirm what you want which is him being a fraud.
From everything I have seen, he has been naive. Very very naive, but not a fraud even though everyone else in the conference wants him to be one.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:50 am to Crowknowsbest
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Stop lying to people.
I agree.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:51 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. Wikipedia? Your source on the Bible is Wikipedia? You couldn't even go to the Bible?
Yeah, I figured most people on this board wouldn't recognize the actual verses. Considering they skip all the parts about accepting immigrants, keeping slaves, not eating shellfish or other non-kosher foods, all people being created in his image, etc.
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with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves;
So an omnipotent God didn't like the united people building a tower to the heavens? Why is that? Were they threatening his prominence?
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The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
I mean I don't know but that whole "nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them" sounds like jealousy to me.
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1. fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions.
2. feeling or showing suspicion of someone's unfaithfulness in a relationship.
3. feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:52 am to Freezus22
quote:We must be brothers from another mother.
I agree 100%. I grew up in a southern baptist church being taught only one way which was the "right way" and it made me a really close-minded person. I really didn't know any better. As I grew up, I began to realize that many of those people who were teaching me these things were just full of shite. Especially two years ago when the man I looked up to for all my life basically destroyed my family. I believe I am a better person today because of it, and am now very open-minded on situations we face on a daily basis.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:53 am to HottyToddy7
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From everything I have seen, he has been naive. Very very naive, but not a fraud even though everyone else in the conference wants him to be one.
As a Christian I would be thrilled if he didn't know what was going on. However, I also know that it would be very, VERY difficult for him to NOT know what was going on and if he did not know what was going on, then it says a lot about his ability to be a head coach.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:53 am to Dixie Normus
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Yeah, it is. They both use the godly man act to protect them. Do you actually know what context means?
Obviously, I do.
I know that context will reveal that Hugh did not commit any crime, as you put it.
You're currently hating on how someone expresses his religious beliefs.....I'm gonna go ahead and lump you in with bin laden. You both do the same exact thing. Never mind the crime.....
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:55 am to DawgsLife
quote:You can actually draw a similar parallel to sports. There's never been a perfect football, baseball or basketball game that's ever been played, but good coaches strive to train their players to play that perfect game. The harder you try, the closer you'll come to getting there...and the better you'll be. The Sermon On The Mount was basically that narrative. Jesus told the people what they should strive to do to become more like himself/God. What he obviously was addressing was how he acts....perfection. Many people read those scriptures and think, "that's impossible! I can never live up to that", so they just give up trying....but the important thing about it all is in the trying. God forgives you when you fail...as long as you're trying...and that's only between you and God!
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I am and will always be leery of those that wear their religion on their sleeve and are so public about their faith.
But, that is what Christianity is all about. Reaching others. You can't do that if you keep your faith under wraps and out of sight.
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Those are the people that usually end up being full of shite the most.
Not really. It is only because a big deal is made of them because they are in the public eye.There are plenty of Christians who are public with their faith and do exactly as they espouse. Do they fail at times? yes. But they are also doing the best they can to live a life consistent with their professed faith.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:56 am to UAtide11
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Yeah, I figured most people on this board wouldn't recognize the actual verses. Considering they skip all the parts about accepting immigrants, keeping slaves, not eating shellfish or other non-kosher foods, all people being created in his image, etc.
You mean instructions given to the Jews?
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So an omnipotent God didn't like the united people building a tower to the heavens? Why is that? Were they threatening his prominence?
No. because they were trying to make themselves gods.
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I mean I don't know but that whole "nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them" sounds like jealousy to me.
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1. fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions.
2. feeling or showing suspicion of someone's unfaithfulness in a relationship.
3. feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages.
Make no mistake about it. God is a jealous God. But in this case he will not allow others to set themselves up as gods.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:58 am to coachcrisp
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You can actually draw a similar parallel to sports. There's never been a perfect football, baseball or basketball game that's ever been played, but good coaches strive to train their players to play that perfect game. The harder you try, the closer you'll come to getting there...and the better you'll be. The Sermon On The Mount was basically that narrative. Jesus told the people what they should strive to do to become more like himself/God. What he obviously was addressing was how he acts....perfection. Many people read those scriptures and think, "that's impossible! I can never live up to that", so they just give up trying....but the important thing about it all is in the trying. God forgives you when you fail...as long as you're trying...and that's only between you and God!
And excellent parallel.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:59 am to HottyToddy7
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You are making the assumption that he knew he was lying when he said he didn't know if these players were bought.
IMO, there is basically no chance he didn't know. He's in the wrong either way.
I don't have a big problem with what he did (paying players). That said, it is against the rules, and he got caught. It's time to shut up and take his medicine.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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From everything I have seen, he has been naive. Very very naive, but not a fraud even though everyone else in the conference wants him to be one.
quote:At first, I wanted to give Hugh the benefit of the doubt and think that he was just a good ole boy, God fearing fellow that wanted to coach ball and didn't know what the outsiders were up to.
As a Christian I would be thrilled if he didn't know what was going on. However, I also know that it would be very, VERY difficult for him to NOT know what was going on and if he did not know what was going on, then it says a lot about his ability to be a head coach.
But, when the Tunsil stuff hit the fan, then add the Barney Farrar stuff + so many of his own staffers mixed in the pot...He'd have to be deaf, dumb, blind AND naive to not know what was transpiring under his own nose.
He failed to monitor Tunsil's loaner car even while under investigation. He failed to get the FCA guy from Memphis cleared through the NCAA when all it would take was a phone call to see if the NCAA considered him a "booster" or not. He failed to monitor his own staff's interactions with other "boosters" and how they organized recruits visits, lodging, transportation, etc.
Now should those mistakes lay on the shoulders of OM Compliance? Sure they should take the lions share of the blame. But Hugh Freeze should have made it his business to know what was going in HIS program with HIS staff and HIS players.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:10 am to RT1941
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Now should those mistakes lay on the shoulders of OM Compliance? Sure they should take the lions share of the blame. But Hugh Freeze should have made it his business to know what was going in HIS program with HIS staff and HIS players.
All of this is true. But does that make him a fraud? Or a God fearing man who didn't do very good at his job?
Those 2 are 2 completely different things.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:10 am to RT1941
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Now should those mistakes lay on the shoulders of OM Compliance? Sure they should take the lions share of the blame. But Hugh Freeze should have made it his business to know what was going in HIS program with HIS staff and HIS players.
To run a successful program the size of Ole Miss it takes everybody. They all have to be involved or something will fall between the cracks. Having more people involved also adds accountability. All you have to do is have one person say "This doesn't seem right." and it would have shut it all down and it could return back to the correct way of doing things.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:14 am to pankReb
Clearly you don't know what context is because when I say 'crime,' I mean it in the sense of what they are accused of and that it is wrong (context of the situations considered). That would be obvious by the context of what I said for someone who actually understood what the word meant.
ETA: For the record, I think players should be paid, but it's against the rules. Freeze is using faith as a shield to pretend like he didn't break the rules and is just a godly man doing the right thing.
ETA: For the record, I think players should be paid, but it's against the rules. Freeze is using faith as a shield to pretend like he didn't break the rules and is just a godly man doing the right thing.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:14 am to RT1941
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We must be brothers from another mother.
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