re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly

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Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
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There are various verses in the Bible that tell us that God expects us to become His disciples and witness to others.


Though I'm not religious, I can tolerate those Christian folks who witness to others. In fact, they come across as really good people and I enjoy their company.

It's the slimy evangelicals who want to force their religion upon others through governmental action that get me all riled up. I just don't understand their mindsets, I suppose. Coaches, politicians and other public figures who invoke their faith as part of their jobs are doing a disservice to the stand-up Christians who fulfill their evangelical duty to offer the Word as a gift, not a commandment.

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I agree 100%. Nothing hurts religion more than people who use it for their worldly gain.

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If god just gave people a new arm every time they lost one no one's faith would EVER get tested.

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You missed the point of the post.

I was arguing that it's absurd to thing god cured little Billy of cancer because people prayed for little Billy to get cured, but yet god has never regrown someone's lost limb.

My argument is that god does neither of these things regardless of how many people pray for it. It's just the nature of the disease of cancer versus the fact that humans lack the ability to regrow limbs regardless of the circumstances. But there are thousands of people who believe that prayer can cure people of diseases. Nobody believes prayer can regrow a limb. Why? Not because people never prayed for limbs to regrow because they do. But since it's not possible for a limb to regrow and thusly people correlate that to "we prayed for this to happen", nobody believes it. However, it is possible for cancer to just go into remission for no apparent reason. Thus, people who prayed for that to happen can correlate that to believe it was the prayer that caused it.

We are all sinners. He may be a liar and cheat at his sport but that doesn't make him a terrible person. People using "if you were really a Christian you wouldn't sin" is really a simplistic way out.

I like to make fun of ol miss and freeze too but not at a personal level. No it's not Christian-like but we are human.

Christians are the worst

Nope, you are an anti theistic. In other words, an atheist. Own it and quit being a pussy.

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All the Holy Rollers are wretched excess hypocrites that "Talk the Talk", but don't "Walk the Walk" in their actions and behavior...............

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Aren't we all guilty of this? Most Christians realize that they're sinners and in need of salvation. That's why they attend Church, pray and read their Bibles. If Christians thought that they were perfect, there would be nobody in Church...why go? This passage is probably what you're referring to:
Matthew 6:1-34

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

so you're saying that you don't want forgiveness for those who have "trespassed against " you? What about the people in your life that you've wronged?..should they take the same approach?
Man's law (the legal system) will punish many offenders of more serious wrong doings, but not all.

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How can you argue that god helps anyone?

In the Bible when the Jews inherited the promise land after escaping Egypt they took many lands that where held by stronger groups but after they conquered most of those lands they feared to take the few that remained because the rest had iron chariots. The Jews ended up not taking over the whole promise land and decided to deal with these kingdoms and also adopted their gods.

Now God told the Jews to take the promise land and he was the one who gave them victory over their foes who were stronger than them. When the Jews decided not to take the rest they defied God's will which is no better than Adam and Eve, and to add to that many of the Jews started to worship idols and turned their back on God. God then allowed (not controlled) the armies of the other nations to plunder the Jews because they betrayed God who gave them freedom and a new home. The Jews then turned back to God and the ages of the judges began (the book of judges).

To the Jews it would seem that The other kingdom's gods were helping them but it was in fact God not protecting the Jews any longer until they turn back to him. God can give and destroy, and both will happen to everyone because everyone has sin; but the only way for forgivenesses is through Christ who bore our sin so that with him in our hearts sin will not have a hold on us.

Mark11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

The Bible teaches to forgive before asking for forgiveness. People who don't forgive others won't be forgiven by God, so it is ultimately that persons fault.