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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:14 am to HottyToddy7
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:14 am to HottyToddy7
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Now should those mistakes lay on the shoulders of OM Compliance? Sure they should take the lions share of the blame. But Hugh Freeze should have made it his business to know what was going in HIS program with HIS staff and HIS players.
quote:I'll never judge another mans faith, religion or their sincerity with a higher being. Nick Saban is portrayed as Satan incarnate by many people, when in reality the is a devout Catholic.
All of this is true. But does that make him a fraud? Or a God fearing man who didn't do very good at his job?
Those 2 are 2 completely different things.
I don't think either man is a fraud with regards to his religious beliefs and personal relationship with God.
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:15 am to HottyToddy7
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All of this is true. But does that make him a fraud?
Only if he did know what was going on and didn't stop it. Even then, i would not call him a fraud....just human by allowing things to go on knowing how it affects his witness as a believer.
If you make your faith public, then you must hold yourself to a much, much higher standard. If not, then you might do more harm to your faith. Just look at all the people on here.....the biggest issue for them is not that he allowed this to go on...but that he professed to be a Christian, then fell short of what a Christian should be. They have a legitimate point.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:17 am to Herman Frisco
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what do you mean by open minded?
Not being an arse, but exactly what it means. I used to think that what I thought and was taught was the right way of doing things or believing in certain things, and I've come to learned to basically not be a bigot.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:19 am to DawgsLife
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but that he professed to be a Christian, then fell short of what a Christian should be. They have a legitimate point.
But in reality that is what being a Christian is. A Christian isn't someone who is "better than everyone else". A Christian is someone who know they aren't perfect and knows they need God because they aren't perfect.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:20 am to RT1941
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personal relationship with God.
And there is the major point so many miss. For those that allow their faith to suffer because another Christian did them wrong, or caused harm to their families....
You should never allow another persons actions to affect your personal relationship with God. It is not about whether you are Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc...it is a personal relationship with God.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:25 am to DawgsLife
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personal relationship with God.
quote:I agree, and I have no right to measure the sincerity of others or to judge another man's relationship with whatever God he chooses to place his faith.
And there is the major point so many miss. For those that allow their faith to suffer because another Christian did them wrong, or caused harm to their families....
You should never allow another persons actions to affect your personal relationship with God. It is not about whether you are Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc...it is a personal relationship with God.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:26 am to HottyToddy7
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But in reality that is what being a Christian is. A Christian isn't someone who is "better than everyone else". A Christian is someone who know they aren't perfect and knows they need God because they aren't perfect.
Absolutely. But we open ourselves up to criticism when we fall short after being very public.
Don't get me wrong...we should be public with our faith. but we also have to realize that when we fail (and we will) we hurt ourselves, others faith and mostly God) Being a Christian is huge responsibility, and when we fail in that responsibility there are consequences to everyone around us.
Honestly...I think Freeze knew it was going on. Almost impossible that he didn't. maybe it started with him not knowing and he found out. That would explain the one huge recruiting class then Ole Miss returning back to the norm. Maybe he found out during or after that huge class and put a stop to it. But he didn't report it, either. We will never know for sure.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:30 am to RT1941
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I agree, and I have no right to measure the sincerity of others or to judge another man's relationship with whatever God he chooses to place his faith.
None of us do have the right, but most of us (Myself included)do tend to make value judgements. It's human nature to do so. It just concerns me when I hear someone say they were very active in their church until they saw a Christian they admired do something wrong.
My point was not necessarily to say you were wrong...but that Christians who fall have very strong influences on other peoples faith. It's a big responsibility that most of us do not take as seriously as we should.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:34 am to DawgsLife
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God also gave you a brain and reasoning. "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God." You don't put a loaded gun to your head and pull the trigger expecting God to protect you.
So you are then saying that things happen that are beyond gods control.
My point was directed to people who say " X happened because it's gods will". People who believe god decides every aspect of everyone's life.
If it's "gods will" that children are starving to death every day, then frick god, he's a psychopathic bitch.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:39 am to DawgsLife
I have no issue with people speaking about their faith. I mean, anything that's really important to someone is going to be a part of the fabric of their lives.
I agree it should be offered as a gift in love, not pushed down people's throats but I don't ever remember hearing Freeze trying to "demand" people believe what he does.
Now what he knew or didn't know about OM cheating, I have no clue. If he knew and allowed it--there's a clear disconnect between his faith and life which should cause him to take a close look in the mirror. If his boosters kept him in the dark so he wouldn't be held responsible...then this really sucks for him.
I agree it should be offered as a gift in love, not pushed down people's throats but I don't ever remember hearing Freeze trying to "demand" people believe what he does.
Now what he knew or didn't know about OM cheating, I have no clue. If he knew and allowed it--there's a clear disconnect between his faith and life which should cause him to take a close look in the mirror. If his boosters kept him in the dark so he wouldn't be held responsible...then this really sucks for him.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:40 am to jcolding41
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Quote: How can you argue that god helps anyone? In the Bible when the Jews inherited the promise land after escaping Egypt they took many lands that where held by stronger groups but after they conquered most of those lands they feared to take the few that remained because the rest had iron chariots. The Jews ended up not taking over the whole promise land and decided to deal with these kingdoms and also adopted their gods. Now God told the Jews to take the promise land and he was the one who gave them victory over their foes who were stronger than them. When the Jews decided not to take the rest they defied God's will which is no better than Adam and Eve, and to add to that many of the Jews started to worship idols and turned their back on God. God then allowed (not controlled) the armies of the other nations to plunder the Jews because they betrayed God who gave them freedom and a new home. The Jews then turned back to God and the ages of the judges began (the book of judges). To the Jews it would seem that The other kingdom's gods were helping them but it was in fact God not protecting the Jews any longer until they turn back to him. God can give and destroy, and both will happen to everyone because everyone has sin; but the only way for forgivenesses is through Christ who bore our sin so that with him in our hearts sin will not have a hold on us.
This answers nothing and is simply an attempt to fit a narrative.
Remember, it's not always a negative that people of other religions pray for and get. Do you not think that people of other religions pray to be healed of cancer?
I could just as easily say the opposite of what you said and it would favor the existence of the gods of the other religions.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:42 am to AshLSU
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So you are then saying that things happen that are beyond gods control.
No. I am saying that if you are foolish enough to put a gun to your head, then you should not expect God to keep you safe. When Jesus was being tempted in the wilderness by satan, satan told him to jump from a high point of the temple, because God would send His angels to keep Him from harmm. jesus responded that "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God."
Luke 4:
9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you
to guard you carefully;
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they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[d]”
12 Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[e]”
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My point was directed to people who say " X happened because it's gods will". People who believe god decides every aspect of everyone's life.
Sometimes things happen because they happen. Sometimes things happen because it is God's will. I am not going to put myself in the position of determining God's will.
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If it's "gods will" that children are starving to death every day, then frick god, he's a psychopathic bitch.
Children are starving every day because of mans sin. God had no intention of children starving, or getting sick, or murder...man brought and chose sin into the world. Why people want to say they do not believe in God, yet want to blame God for everything that goes wrong is beyond my understanding.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:47 am to bayou85
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Also the prayer thing.. The bible talks about praying without ceasing and also says the prayers of the righteous man having great power to prevail. We believe it because the Bible says it. just trying to clarify that its not some superstitious thing we just started thinking but actually written.
I understand that. But once again, this doesn't explain why no one has ever miraculously regrow a limb from prayer but people CLAIM that prayer has cured cancer.
There are two options here. Either prayer doesn't cure jack shite (it doesn't), or god is limited in his abilities.
Either way, there is no convincing either side of this argument to the other side. Religious people have a way of ignoring facts and non religious people are generally too cynical to gain hope from mythology.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:48 am to tider04
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I have no issue with people speaking about their faith. I mean, anything that's really important to someone is going to be a part of the fabric of their lives.
I agree it should be offered as a gift in love, not pushed down people's throats but I don't ever remember hearing Freeze trying to "demand" people believe what he does.
Somewhere along the line there was a failure and disconnect in Freeze's life from a coaches standpoint and, apparently, from a Christian standpoint. However, he can correct both of those failures. It will take time, but it can be done.
I responded to the first part, and then I read the rest of your post: quote:
Now what he knew or didn't know about OM cheating, I have no clue. If he knew and allowed it--there's a clear disconnect between his faith and life which should cause him to take a close look in the mirror. If his boosters kept him in the dark so he wouldn't be held responsible...then this really sucks for him.
It would appear as if we are on the same page.:
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:48 am to RT1941
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don't think either man is a fraud with regards to his religious beliefs and personal relationship with God
Nothing is more divisive than religion. People who are open about it and promote it continuously verbally and through social network know that there will be mixed feedback. People can sling all the insults they want at Freeze/Richt or any other openly Christian coach. They knew before they started that there would be backlash at some point in time. I think the evangelical angle certainly ramps it up a notch.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:50 am to pilsnerpusher
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FOS Biblically speaking
I'm gonna have to remember this phrase.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:54 am to AshLSU
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I understand that. But once again, this doesn't explain why no one has ever miraculously regrow a limb from prayer but people CLAIM that prayer has cured cancer.
I don't understand everything. I don't claim to. but I will tell you this...I have had friends that had cancer, and then the cancer disappeared. The doctors said that there was no logical explanation for it. But, God is not a vending machine. We can't dial Him up, drop a quarter in Him and get what we want. There will be times when prayers might be answered exactly as we want them to be, but we can't expect it to happen every time.
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There are two options here. Either prayer doesn't cure jack shite (it doesn't), or god is limited in his abilities.
So. It is your opinion if the world doesn't operate in the way you think it should, then God isn't real?
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Religious people have a way of ignoring facts
Maybe because there have been an awful lot of "facts" that have been proven to be false over the years. You also should keep in mind that faith is not about facts. Faith is believing in something when all logic says otherwise. For me it would be sad and life would seem hopeless not to have faith.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:56 am to DawgsLife
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Children are starving every day because of mans sin. God had no intention of children starving, or getting sick, or murder...man brought and chose sin into the world.
It's awfully convenient how he will step in and prevent people from trying to become gods, supposedly a sin of man. But won't to save starving children, again a sin of man.
These must be those mysterious ways in which he works
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:56 am to Saskwatch
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Nothing is more divisive than religion.
Politics.
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I think the evangelical angle certainly ramps it up a notch.
True. For some reason people love to see Christians fail.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:57 am to Wanderin Reb
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So God doesn't want the people who live and die without ever hearing his name because they live in small, remote tribes that don't interact with civilization? Sounds like an a-hole.
I have argued this many times when people talk about "the only way into heaven is to accept Jesus".
What about the millions of humans who were not living in the genaral area where Jesus supposedly lived? There were people in what we call north, south, and Central America, Africa, Australia, etc that had no possible way of knowing Jesus for hundreds of years after his supposed death. You telling me all these people went to hell just because of the geographical location of their birth? That does make god out to be a complete a-hole.
So then take the "good guy god" approach and say that all these people were still allowed in heaven because ignorance is an excuse. Then are Christians not actually doing more harm by telling people about Jesus? I mean, if they don't know about Jesus, but can get into heaven anyway. Isn't that better than if they know about Jesus and then MUST ACCEPT HIM AS TGEIR SAVIOR" to get into heaven. Seems like knowing about Jesus just forces people to have to take one more step that would ultimately be unnecessary.
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