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re: Police Calls To Tennessee Coaches Violate State Law?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:08 pm to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:08 pm to ConwayGamecock
The Tennessean keeps rehashing the same information with new headlines every few weeks. It's pure click bait at this point.
And if you think that any phone call was made to try to tip off the players then you should know that the police investigation of the apartment found a used condom, DNA and drug paraphernalia. There was no cover up and Jones kicked them of the team before they were charged.
And if you think that any phone call was made to try to tip off the players then you should know that the police investigation of the apartment found a used condom, DNA and drug paraphernalia. There was no cover up and Jones kicked them of the team before they were charged.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:10 pm to ConwayGamecock
If Butch knew he was suspending them for likely the rest of the season (13 more days)with both of them being Sr's why would he risk his career to help them cover up a crime that wouldn't benefit our program at all?
None of this makes any sense and is a witch hunt in response to the Vandy rape trial to keep it out of the news.
None of this makes any sense and is a witch hunt in response to the Vandy rape trial to keep it out of the news.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:11 pm to VFL1800FPD
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So this is Butch's fault how?
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Cell phone records show that throughout the day — before and after police first made contact with Johnson — Jones was in regular contact with Johnson, placing or receiving six phone calls to or from his player. Jones’ cell phone records list no calls to or from Williams that day — or at any point in the following two-week span of phone logs requested by The Tennessean.
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Eight days after police launched their investigation, Jones was asked specifically if he had conversations with the two players about the investigation
“I have not had any dialogue at all,” Jones said. “Again we’re letting the investigation take care of itself. And that’s all I’ll say.”
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:13 pm to Volatile
So none of you Tennessee fans have a problem with the protocol involved in these situations?
Pisspoor journalism or not, this seems like a serious conflict of interest and I'm trying to imagine a scenario where the law should ever notify a suspect of a pending investigation unless it somehow expediates the process of learning the truth.
Pisspoor journalism or not, this seems like a serious conflict of interest and I'm trying to imagine a scenario where the law should ever notify a suspect of a pending investigation unless it somehow expediates the process of learning the truth.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:17 pm to Pocket Kingz
There's nothing suggesting (outside of an unsubstantiated headline) that anyone told the players they were under police investigation.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:17 pm to ConwayGamecock
But that's what the play call sheet said to do 
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:18 pm to Pocket Kingz
I've got a problem with it, but I think the proper party to blame for this is the police department. It is bad procedure.
Also, I don't think that in this case that mistake affected much though. Maybe it would have have made more of an impact if they didn't find anything in the apartment. As for getting their stories straight, I don't think it made that much of an impact either. Both of the accused were with each other the entire time and regardless of guilt or innocence would say the same thing.
Also, I don't think that in this case that mistake affected much though. Maybe it would have have made more of an impact if they didn't find anything in the apartment. As for getting their stories straight, I don't think it made that much of an impact either. Both of the accused were with each other the entire time and regardless of guilt or innocence would say the same thing.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:21 pm to Pocket Kingz
Also, just like with the Florida State FB program that did the same thing with Winston - and I'm sure still does the same thing - the position of the hapless Vol fans here that all this was set up by the Knoxville PD as some sort of "goodwill" act, and NOT an established policy orchestrated and directed entirely by the UT FB staff and AD, with the PD just going along with it - is naive disingenuity at it's finest.
We all know how big-money collegiate athletics in the South work. It's been a practice etched in stone for generations. The Knoxville PD has totally absolutely ZERO to gain from this practice. So of course it's all THEIR idea, and no one else's....
We all know how big-money collegiate athletics in the South work. It's been a practice etched in stone for generations. The Knoxville PD has totally absolutely ZERO to gain from this practice. So of course it's all THEIR idea, and no one else's....
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:28 pm to ConwayGamecock
Exactly. UT will be looking for a new AD and HC this summer if they were smart. Hart's contract won't be renewed. They're not and Butch will be forced out and UT will rightfully be dragged through the mud for trying to save a FB coach that helped facilitate this environment at UT that is dangerous for young women. I look for Butch to be canned just after or in the middle of the AJ trial. Drae Bowles is about the unleash hell on UT and Butch for putting out the hit. To be honest it couldn't happen to a better bunch than UT fans. The most arrogant, flaming cocksuckers that don't have shite to show for their BS trolling.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:29 pm to VOLhalla
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There's nothing suggesting (outside of an unsubstantiated headline) that anyone told the players they were under police investigation.
So at 3 am that Sunday, the rape victim contacts the authorities.
at 8:20 am, the KPD contacts Butch Jones. The phone call lasts 2 minutes.
at 8:22 am, Butch Jones calls AJ Johnson, and then has numerous other phone calls with Johnson throughout the day. A FB assistant coach calls Williams. What the frick else would the FB coaches be calling them about at that point?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:30 pm to TJGator1215
Thanks for your unbiased opinion.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:32 pm to tylerdurden24
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But that's what the play call sheet said to do
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:38 pm to ConwayGamecock
The coaches probably called to say they heard rumors of something happening the night before and want to hear from the players about. They may have also told the players that the school will likely be looking into it. Maybe went ahead and told the players they were suspended pending a school investigation. There are thousands of things a coach could talk to a player about without telling the player that there was an active police investigation.
If the players were told the cops were investigating four hours before they searched the apartment why didn't the players clean up the condoms or the drugs?
If the players were told the cops were investigating four hours before they searched the apartment why didn't the players clean up the condoms or the drugs?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:47 pm to VOLhalla
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If the players were told the cops were investigating four hours before they searched the apartment why didn't the players clean up the condoms or the drugs?
You overestimate the intelligence of SEC football players
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:10 pm to ConwayGamecock
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While I am sure that most SEC towns have police chiefs that will give a heads up to head coaches on incidents that occurred with their players, that becomes a problem when victims are involved.
If it's just a DUI, a public intox, or a vandalism charge or something, that's not a big deal, as the evidence is likely already collected, and there are no issues with telling the coach at that point.
In this case, they let Jones know about 12 hours before they even inspected the apartment where the sexual assault allegedly took place, and 12 hours before they interviewed the suspects or any witnesses. That's similar to what Tallahassee PD did for Jameis. They gave early notice, which allowed Jameis and his witnesses to come together and corroborate on their story.
A big part of sexual assault cases is catching the suspect and witnesses before they know they're being investigated, so that you can catch inconsistencies in the stories being told. In this case, they gave time for Johnson and company to scrub the apartment and get stories straight. That's a HUGE deal and basically puts the victim in an unfair position trying to prove her case.
the timing of the calls is really bad for the Title IX investigation.
You don't know the content of the calls, but Jones receives the call from the police liaison at 8:20 AM. He calls Johnson at 8:22 AM. One of his assistants calls Williams at 8:38 AM. That's pretty quick turn around, and it does tend to show that the football program was working to protect its athletes.
Then you've got the statement from Jones 8 days later saying he hasn't spoken to Johnson about the investigation, when the phone records tend to suggest he very clearly had (6 times that first day alone). That's not a good look.
I know UT puts football above all else, but I think this is going to be hard for Jones to survive, much less the AD and other lead staffers over there. The university is getting sued at a federal level over impeding progress of sexual assault cases. That's a pretty serious deal, and the early evidence makes it look like they certainly were doing just that. If the case is at all successful, they HAVE to clean house, top to bottom. I see no other way around it.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:19 pm to ConwayGamecock
What's funny though is it's the accuser's phones that went missing. Both AJ and Williams turned in theirs.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:21 pm to BigOrangeVols
How is that funny?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:41 pm to HailFreezusOver
Because you're a fricking idiot
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:45 pm to Vols&Shaft83
ah ... i Understand your frustrations with the situation.
But I had nothing to do with this coverup.
so direct your hate elsewhere
But I had nothing to do with this coverup.
so direct your hate elsewhere
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 5:46 pm
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