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re: Pete Carroll ~VS~ Nick Saban
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:32 pm to bbqsaturdays
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:32 pm to bbqsaturdays
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Amari Cooper > Reggie Bush
Bless your heart.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:35 pm to lsupride87
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How about we look at how they do against great/equal competition?
I'd love to but it can't be done. Pete played in a Pac-10 where the toughest competition every year was Oregon, yet somehow still managed to lose to the likes of Wash State, Oregon State, Arizona, and Stanford before they were built up and while USC was a 40+ point favorite.
The only contender from that conference during Carroll's time there was USC.
Meanwhile, Saban (to borrow from Gnash Rebel) played in the toughest neighborhood in college football - the SEC West.
While Saban has been at Bama, you've had 4 different teams from the conference win National Titles. From 2009-2015 some team from the state of Alabama has either won the title, played for the title, or been in the playoffs. USC didn't have that type of competition in their own conference, much less their own state.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:35 pm to lsupride87
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Third times a charm!
quote:Too much NCAA baggage to come back to the college game. He shot out of USC like a rocket.
So when does Pete get his third try in college? Hell, when does he get his second?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:How the hell can you possibly do that? Pete coached in the fricking Pac-10 while Saban coaches in the strongest division in the country's toughest conference.
How about we look at how they do against great/equal competition?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:38 pm to bamasgot13
quote:Pete 14-5 against year end top 10
I'd love to but it can't be done. Pete played in a Pac-10 where the toughest competition every year was Oregon, yet somehow still managed to lose to the likes of Wash State, Oregon State, Arizona, and Stanford before they were built up and while USC was a 40+ point favorite.
The only contender from that conference during Carroll's time there was USC.
Meanwhile, Saban (to borrow from Gnash Rebel) played in the toughest neighborhood in college football - the SEC West.
While Saban has been at Bama, you've had 4 different teams from the conference win National Titles. From 2009-2015 some team from the state of Alabama has either won the title, played for the title, or been in the playoffs. USC didn't have that type of competition in their own conference, much less their own state.
Saban 10-12 against year end top 10
It is fairly obvious to non-biased fans Pete is a better coach when the talent level is close to even
If is also fairly obvious Saban is better at keeping his team focused
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:39 pm to RT1941
quote:Look down from your post. It is pretty freaking simple
How the hell can you possibly do that?
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:53 pm to lsupride87
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It is fairly obvious to non-biased fans Pete is a better coach when the talent level is close to even
Talent level close as in top 2 teams in the country?
Since we are talking about two teams that were the best over a period of time it only makes since to compare them to the other best team.
Saban vs Top 2 teams
6-3
Pete vs Top 2 teams
1-1
And that 1 win was against Oklahoma which was vacated.
So when they went up against the VERY best Saban is the clear winner.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:29 pm to DannyGallowherd
Nick Saban. Carroll was really flashy but didn't get near the results that Saban has.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:43 pm to lsupride87
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Pete 14-5 against year end top 10
Saban 10-12 against year end top 10
It is fairly obvious to non-biased fans Pete is a better coach when the talent level is close to even
If is also fairly obvious Saban is better at keeping his team focused
You're gonna continue to see it the way you want to see it. not sure where you got those stats from. I just looked at final BCS standings for their times at their respective schools.
Carroll at USC played 13 teams in 9 years that finished ranked inside the top 10 at end of season. He was 8-5 against those teams - an average of 1.44 such games each year (5 of the 13 matchups were in the bowl game at the end of the season, meaning that he played 8 teams in season that finished in the top 10 during his 9 years at USCw).
During his 9 years at USCw, the Pac-10 had a total of 13 teams finish in the top 10. USC was 7 of those teams, so a total of 6 opponents from that conference in 9 years finished in top 10 at end of season. That, obviously, is less than 1 per year.
Saban at Bama has played 22 games in 9 years against teams that finished in the top 10 at end of season. He's 10-12 in those games - and average of 2.44 such matchups each year (1 more annually than USC faced). 8 of those 22 matchups against top 10 teams for Bama game in Bowl games (including 2 in 2015). This means Saban played 13 teams in 9 years in season that finished ranked in top 10.
During his 9 years at Bama, the SEC has had a total of 26 teams finish in the top 10 (2x what Carroll's Pac-10 had). Bama was 7 of those top 10 teams, so 19 other SEC teams finished in top 10 during Saban's 9 years at Bama (3x as many as what the Pac-10 had when Carroll was there).
Bottom line - a deeper dive tells a more complete story than the narrative you'd like to perpetuate.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:45 pm to bamasgot13
Do you really expect an LSU fan to pick Saban?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:47 pm to Korin
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Do you really expect an LSU fan to pick Saban?
Nope. Some are very objective, but this one doesn't seem to be.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:27 pm to bamasgot13
Not to mention Carroll coincidentally ducking out right before the NCAA hammer hit USC. But he supposedly would've stayed if he had known.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 6:04 pm to DannyGallowherd
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DannyGallowherd
1 championship does not equal a dynasty.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 6:27 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
quote:How many of those does Alabama need to make or win before you entertain the idea that their BCS championships might be legit as well?
Thankfully, we have a playoff now
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:44 pm to bamasgot13
I said Saban is better at one thing, and Carroll is better at one thing
That is pretty unbiased you gump cousin lover
Summer is pretty much the only gump worth a shite on this site
ETA: I like Reauxl too
That is pretty unbiased you gump cousin lover
Summer is pretty much the only gump worth a shite on this site
ETA: I like Reauxl too
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:55 pm to UnAnon
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Lane Kiffen
Who?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:39 pm to DannyGallowherd
No one hates Alabama more than me, but Colin Cowherd is a douchebag shite stirrer.
The goal is to win football games. Saban did it in an era where the SEC had not just a couple power programs, but has been as deep as it ever has. Saban won with elite defense and dominant run games. Maybe it's not as flashy as USC, but USC won 1 outright title in that time frame versus 4 for Alabama. And they won there's playing a weaker slate of competition.
That being said, frick Bama.
The goal is to win football games. Saban did it in an era where the SEC had not just a couple power programs, but has been as deep as it ever has. Saban won with elite defense and dominant run games. Maybe it's not as flashy as USC, but USC won 1 outright title in that time frame versus 4 for Alabama. And they won there's playing a weaker slate of competition.
That being said, frick Bama.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:56 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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The BCS was not an undisputed title. Not even close.
Arguments like this are utterly absurd. You may not have liked the BCS...so what. The fact is that every single one of the 128 teams in the football bowl subdivison were members of the BCS and by virtue of their membership agreed to be a part of the system that chose to crown its champion in that way. Every. Single. Team
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:58 pm to bbqsaturdays
quote:No.
Amari Cooper > Reggie Bush
Not in college, not in the NFL.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:09 pm to BamaGradinTn
It was a terrible system created by the SEC commissioner. USC had the best team in the country in 2003 and 2008, yet was denied a shot at the BCS title.
Even the President of the United States hated the BCS.
Even the President of the United States hated the BCS.
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